I believe the tools are already there, the rates are the sticking point , that is why you have to have the faith OBI - WON -KONOBIdvbuk55 wrote:Realistically?
There will be very little initial changes. The revisions will have to take place and the tools for the job, HCTs and CDV transport ferried from that field where there are 10,000 parked up waiting to be deployed - I must get the google earth address and pick one out for myself.
The revision can only take place after we know what the revision tools are and the workshops have taken place and geo route applied after call rates have been agreed but of course there will not be any dallying in implementing the change as BOTH parties have agreed on that very issue.
Will the tools for the job materialise - well that is a matter of trust, will we be expected to go ahead before these are in place - NOT according to the agreement but of course that is a matter of trust, will the revision be lead by financial constraints - well NOT according to a joint statement by the CWU and RM and there again it is a matter of trust.
When each unit changes begin will depend entirely on how far ahead the revision process has already progressed, without CWU input of course BUT should not be rolled out until agreed and any problems will be sorted out at local level according to the agreement without interruption to service, ahem, but if there is no agreement then ACAS will mediate.
There WILL be winners and losers.
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Steviea34
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And thats why we have workshops and HQ have said many times it is the parameters put into the computer programs and not the program itself that is the problem. RM have a habit of giving with one hand and taking with the other when it comes to computer programs. Slower walking speed Higher attendance call rate but then other settings are made LESS generous so RM dont lose out. The CWU are making sure RM dont repeat this, by having a in depth approach to make sure the parameters are right and fair and achiveable.
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Not correct, RM must provide an indoor area for breaks to be taken. That is not out in a van in all weathers. As usual DOMs talking bullshine.tolkien wrote:our DOM said we had to take our breaks on the road in our vanfishtank wrote:What makes you think you will be travelling anywhere to take a break?proper postie wrote:
Looking forward to them working breaks into duty times also.Our DO is on possibly the busiest road in the area,so a 20 min break will easily become an hour with travel time.At least I'll get to put my feet up for a bit.
You will have your break in the office before you leave as you always do.
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More important is the ability to take your break at a place of YOUR choosing(within reason).mclovin wrote:
Not correct, RM must provide an indoor area for breaks to be taken. That is not out in a van in all weathers. As usual DOMs talking bullshine.
The requirements are:
•the break must be in one block
•it cannot be taken off one end of the working day - it must be somewhere in the middle
•you are allowed to spend it away from the place on your employer's premises where you work
•your employer can say when the break must be taken, as long as it meets these conditions
However as with all working time regulation this only applies to the minimum required break (20mins in a 6hr period).
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So theoretically if you choose to have it in the office then you must break off delivery to do so. Correct???
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mclovin wrote:So theoretically if you choose to have it in the office then you must break off delivery to do so. Correct???
No because at the end of the day....
•your employer can say when the break must be taken, as long as it meets these conditions
And you will be taking it BEFORE you leave the office not during delivery...unless your delivery exceeds 6hrs.
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There must surely be some limitation on the time over distance - if you work 30 minutes from the depot and you travel back for a 20 minute break and take another 30 minutes to get back to your walk and an hour later you need a wee................................mclovin wrote:So theoretically if you choose to have it in the office then you must break off delivery to do so. Correct???
My understanding is that outdoor postmen are "kerbside diners" if you choose to not take part of your break prior to delivery and the remainder at the end the onus is on you.
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fishtank
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dvbuk55 wrote:There must surely be some limitation on the time over distance - if you work 30 minutes from the depot and you travel back for a 20 minute break and take another 30 minutes to get back to your walk and an hour later you need a wee................................mclovin wrote:So theoretically if you choose to have it in the office then you must break off delivery to do so. Correct???
My understanding is that outdoor postmen are "kerbside diners" if you choose to not take part of your break prior to delivery and the remainder at the end the onus is on you.
Well this wonderful new agreement states Appropriately scheduled meal breaks ( consistent with relevant working time legislation)
So....who will decide what is appropriate?
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How many guesses do we get, though I can hear the - "if you are strong and get off your knees you can have as long as you like when you like as often as you like" - but there will be winners and losers - and guess which category we'll fall into?fishtank wrote:dvbuk55 wrote:There must surely be some limitation on the time over distance - if you work 30 minutes from the depot and you travel back for a 20 minute break and take another 30 minutes to get back to your walk and an hour later you need a wee................................mclovin wrote:So theoretically if you choose to have it in the office then you must break off delivery to do so. Correct???
My understanding is that outdoor postmen are "kerbside diners" if you choose to not take part of your break prior to delivery and the remainder at the end the onus is on you.
Well this wonderful new agreement states Appropriately scheduled meal breaks ( consistent with relevant working time legislation)
So....who will decide what is appropriate?