Myths about the agreement

[jockstrapp]

If this agreement is so good why is it taking so long to get the voting papers out????????????????

Why go round the country telling us how good it is????????????????????

[lovejoy]

Dingo you can say what you want but the members will have the last say plan B or no plan B.

Quite so, but isn't he saying that posters on here/voters should be aware of a few facts rather than just being the usual mob mentality and voting "'cos everyone else voted that way"?
As RMC proved in '07, vehemently-held views from some on here doesn't always mean that's the way the rank-and-file think.

Thats the more incisive post I have seen in a long time Tman.

I've got some other bits to contribute later but off for a few bank holiday ales 1st

Now you are scraping the bottom of the barrel lovejoy making a pact with tman - and did you know that I don't drink alcohol, that way my vision is never clouded in an alcoholic haze. If your only going to be posting after a "few ales" don't bother, things always look rosier after a pint or two so I believe.

I don't know anything about Tman, haven't seen his/her posts before. Just thought that previous comment was on the button.

Gave the ale a miss as didn't fancy it.

I asked if u were in the forces because you use the word officer a lot. It used to be commonly used in RM with reference to postal officers / delivery officers etc but I find in the main only ex forces people use it nowadays

[dvbuk55]

Dingo you can say what you want but the members will have the last say plan B or no plan B.

Quite so, but isn't he saying that posters on here/voters should be aware of a few facts rather than just being the usual mob mentality and voting "'cos everyone else voted that way"?
As RMC proved in '07, vehemently-held views from some on here doesn't always mean that's the way the rank-and-file think.

Thats the more incisive post I have seen in a long time Tman.

I've got some other bits to contribute later but off for a few bank holiday ales 1st

Now you are scraping the bottom of the barrel lovejoy making a pact with tman - and did you know that I don't drink alcohol, that way my vision is never clouded in an alcoholic haze. If your only going to be posting after a "few ales" don't bother, things always look rosier after a pint or two so I believe.

I don't know anything about Tman, haven't seen his/her posts before. Just thought that previous comment was on the button.

Gave the ale a miss as didn't fancy it.

I asked if u were in the forces because you use the word officer a lot. It used to be commonly used in RM with reference to postal officers / delivery officers etc but I find in the main only ex forces people use it nowadays

What scraping the bottom of the barrel? or the rosy outlook?
Well I can tell you now lovejoy I was no officer and gentleman and I look nothing like Richard Gere - more like 2nd gear these days.

[DirtyHarry]

Dingo, Dingo, Dingo, this deal is as bad for postal workers as the last two/three.
The CWU has completely lost it's way, and will lose me and my £156.52 if you and all the other senior bods have conned enough mugs to vote in acceptance of this "2010 and Beyond" shyte.

There will be one sure outcome from a YES vote, it will change forever the % of union members in the workplace. You will find yourself in discussions with your chums, discussing cutting costs, drastically. How ironic will that be, eh?

[k979aaa]

Their will be no myth in this after this agreement that is being sold to us all the union will be finished!. STOP TRYING TO FLOG A DEAD HORSE AND GET THE MEMBERSHIP BACK ON SIDE FOR THE FIGHT OF OUR LIVES!.

[DirtyHarry]

Their will be no myth in this after this agreement that is being sold to us all the union will be finished!. STOP TRYING TO FLOG A DEAD HORSE AND GET THE MEMBERSHIP BACK ON SIDE FOR THE FIGHT OF OUR LIVES!.

That is very good advice, have a feeling they'll ignore it though, good at that they are, ignoring their members.

[fishtank]

Their will be no myth in this after this agreement that is being sold to us all the union will be finished!. STOP TRYING TO FLOG A DEAD HORSE AND GET THE MEMBERSHIP BACK ON SIDE FOR THE FIGHT OF OUR LIVES!.

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[Truth]

Dingo

So the leadership of this Union are prepared to sell out members like me, who lost pay taking Industrial action for an agreement that would make me worst off. How can this be so? I look at what the leadership of this union get, about 100,000 and they have the effrontery to tell me it’s in the common good that I take a pay cut. I earn 18,000 a year. I be voting NO

[dvbuk55]

Their will be no myth in this after this agreement that is being sold to us all the union will be finished!. STOP TRYING TO FLOG A DEAD HORSE AND GET THE MEMBERSHIP BACK ON SIDE FOR THE FIGHT OF OUR LIVES!.

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[Tman]

Please don't interrupt big boys conversations tman - you don't have anything to do with deliveries, know nothing about them and stand only to gain from this agreement.

Maybe, but unfortunately my pay deals etc are linked in with deals delivery blokes vote on (thanks to the UCW gobbling up the NCU- a black day) so I'd rather the voting was a considered move by individuals rather than just a "my mate said it was bad" sheep-like decision.

Do you see me commenting on anything but deliveries - NO - because I don't profess to know anything about them - just observe the same courtesy.

What, oh pompous one, people not commenting unless they know what they're talking about? Good concept, but it'd never catch on.

[dvbuk55]

Please don't interrupt big boys conversations tman - you don't have anything to do with deliveries, know nothing about them and stand only to gain from this agreement.

Maybe, but unfortunately my pay deals etc are linked in with deals delivery blokes vote on (thanks to the UCW gobbling up the NCU- a black day) so I'd rather the voting was a considered move by individuals rather than just a "my mate said it was bad" sheep-like decision.

Do you see me commenting on anything but deliveries - NO - because I don't profess to know anything about them - just observe the same courtesy.

What, oh pompous one, people not commenting unless they know what they're talking about? Good concept, but it'd never catch on

My word you do have a superioity complex tman - almost omnipotent - still I 'm sure everyone sees you for what you are.

[daveyeff]

in reply to dingo,s opening post , you should NOT be using 'averages' for you figures mate, they are very misleading and give everyone a false impression. we all know what can be done with figures. rm have been fiddling them for years. in our office for example(gateshead d.o) the foot turn with the lowest number of doors is 601, the highest 1037. so the lowest walk gets £10.03p,for his d2d (1.67p)and thats just for one set,..its nearly always 3 lots. the highest getting £17.31, for 1 set, and a whopping £51.93 for 3 sets. so when we start to get the unlimited ammounts they want to bring in, you can see how much money people stand to lose. as for the market having a potential of 14 billion items, royal mail could, and most definately would undercut every leaflet distributer in the business if they get a yes vote on this deal, they could simply say to all these companies, we only pay our staff £14.00 to deliver leaflets, so come to us, we,ll give you a better deal than 'amaro' and 'tnt' etc. and before you know it, 15 to 20 lots a week. the d2d is not dropping off, its going to increase vastly. this is why they want to give us buttons for doing them. union policy is 'A FAIR DEAL FOR ALL. well this is clearly not the case with this deal, there are so many foot people going to lose out, its farcical. the losers are the majority, NOT the minority. so the union shouldve walked away from this deal when it became clearly obvious what was going to happen.

[k979aaa]

in reply to dingo,s opening post , you should NOT be using 'averages' for you figures mate, they are very misleading and give everyone a false impression. we all know what can be done with figures. rm have been fiddling them for years. in our office for example(gateshead d.o) the foot turn with the lowest number of doors is 601, the highest 1037. so the lowest walk gets £10.03p,for his d2d (1.67p)and thats just for one set,..its nearly always 3 lots. the highest getting £17.31, for 1 set, and a whopping £51.93 for 3 sets. so when we start to get the unlimited ammounts they want to bring in, you can see how much money people stand to lose. as for the market having a potential of 14 billion items, royal mail could, and most definately would undercut every leaflet distributer in the business if they get a yes vote on this deal, they could simply say to all these companies, we only pay our staff £14.00 to deliver leaflets, so come to us, we,ll give you a better deal than 'amaro' and 'tnt' etc. and before you know it, 15 to 20 lots a week. the d2d is not dropping off, its going to increase vastly. this is why they want to give us buttons for doing them. union policy is 'A FAIR DEAL FOR ALL. well this is clearly not the case with this deal, there are so many foot people going to lose out, its farcical. the losers are the majority, NOT the minority. so the union shouldve walked away from this deal when it became clearly obvious what was going to happen.

Thank you and you are right so the cap being removed with their DOMINATION OF THE D2D MARKET would mean that we could end up delivering every leaflet's in your newspaper's magazine's and all those dodgy characters walking around delivering pizza and curry flyer's!. Just wonder if the competition commission will take a look at this!.

[Tman]

My word you do have a superioity complex tman - almost omnipotent - still I 'm sure everyone sees you for what you are.

Oh dear DV, now you're just being bitchy.... Hey, why not run all that beseeching "why we should vote no" past me again? I like you more when you're doing the "impassioned orator" bit...

[dvbuk55]

My word you do have a superioity complex tman - almost omnipotent - still I 'm sure everyone sees you for what you are.

Oh dear DV, now you're just being bitchy.... Hey, why not run all that beseeching "why we should vote no" past me again? I like you more when you're doing the "impassioned orator" bit...

No thanks tman - I'll save that for people who understand it and are affected by it..