lovejoy wrote:The reasons I didnt reply to DVbuks points about the agreement were because I was short on time but mainly because it was absolutely nothing to do with the thread and was his way of diverting attention from the fact that his fantasy thoughts on the aftermath of a no vote.
I don't really know why I am bothering because some people don't want the answers or the debate for some unknown reason.
Dvbuk said The 75/25 split is to be policed nationally, it is currently 79/21 so does that mean job losses, and how is the figure to be arrived at?
The 79/21 will move to 75/25. How anyone can deny that this is excellent negotiation given that RM wanted the dutch model 25/75 is beyond me. That figure will be monitored nationally at quarterly meetings. Some of the reasons it wasn't an office by office 75/25...... Well some units have stood up for themselves and have FT % well above 75 so why would they want to move downwards?
Also with some of the new innovative duty structures units may chose to increase part-time staff to increase the number of Saturdays off... a solid ratio would have hindered this.
Dvbuk said If it means job losses how is job security a part of this agreement?
Yes there will be job losses. Nobody has ever denied that but they will all come as part of natural wastage / VRs. And don't come back with you line about how it doesnt guarantee no compulsary redundancies. The MTSF never has. This 'get out' is aimed at situations beyond the control of anyone and usually reserved for managers!
Dvbuk said Is the projected figure for job losses 24,000 - Higson has already said it will mean fewer jobs - if it means job security for the ones who are left, how about the ones who aren't - do they fall into the category of winners or losers? How long will the ones who are left last after this 3 year agreement?
The only people leaving the business will be those who chose to. Does this make them a loser? No it doesnt it makes them someone chosing to lose and on better terms than those on offer prior to the dispute. At the end of the agreement who knows where we will be? Do you? We cannot judge this agreement on fantasy views of what may or may not happen. You were saying earlier you didn't want a 3 year deal now you are complaining about what happens after that!
Dvbuk said You conveniently state that there is no payment for D2D but a new delivery supplement - so what replaces the payment for D2D - is it the the remainder of the balance from the loss of the ESA? Which would be £8 pro rata for unlimited workload - or am I misrepresenting the figures - one of us must be?
Nothing money wise replaces the d2d payment. I have repeated this and yet you still havent got it. The CWU have managed to capture all the monies currently being paid out on d2d as part of a new permanent supplement paid 52 weeks per year.
On top of this the CWU have managed to get d2d into measured workload which will protect job.... surely as someone who professes to care so much about others you must agree that it is the right thing to do by protecting jobs ahead of a payment that is not even guaranteed week to week.
Dvbuk said The revision tools which will determine the workload aren't ready yet - so will they be issued before the ballot?
As far as I understand the meetings will take place in the next week and guidelines issued to branches / reps. I am not sure if they will be out before the ballot is the honest answer but RM have agreed to push no revisions until they are agreed to this gives us a very strong position.
Dvbuk said The fabled 1 in 4 Saturdays maybe even 1 in 3 Matrix, which is as we speak still be worked on, will that be ready before the ballot?
Dvbuk said Were any of the advisers to the negotiating team ever delivery officers in recent years or ever or even seen a delivery office?
Yes every single one of them has worked in a DO. Very sad that you have to resort to this level. On the other hand have you ever been involved in a set of national negotiations against the current backdrop?
Dvbuk said Oh one last thing - Scunthorpe lost 4-2 to the Seasiders - shame - now I wonder if there is message in that scoreline?
Just like my team Dvbuk, you let me down with the cheapshots
Pillow talk perhaps? 
