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Who delivers the ballot papers to the scrutineers??

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BELIAL
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Re: Who delivers the ballot papers to the scrutineers??

Post by BELIAL »

Night Tonic wrote:Theres more to this than lump sums and wage increases. Both union and management know we can't survive unless we change drastically. I'd agree with that but not sure everyone sees beyond the extra few quid in their pay packet. If we stay as we are we're doomed for sure.
Nice try but getting a bit done to death now.
It is not a question about resisting change it is about the nature of that change.
the growth of the slave trade was change,so was the abolition of slavery.
Nowt wrong with change per se ,bring on the new technology,the more the merrier, but don't expect me to embrace a shrinking pay packet and growing workload because you call it modernisation
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Night Tonic
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Re: Who delivers the ballot papers to the scrutineers??

Post by Night Tonic »

The only death is ignorance and beligerence - oodles of that but no purposeful realistic alternatives put forward either. Sigh.
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mailman71
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Re: Who delivers the ballot papers to the scrutineers??

Post by mailman71 »

i cannot believe anyone would think there would be a problem with the ballot papers,any tampering with them would be a serious crime so there is no way this would happen.
Tman
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Re: Who delivers the ballot papers to the scrutineers??

Post by Tman »

Stop talking sense Mailman71. There's people on here who spend their whole lives thinking the bogeyman's at the door. I bet some even avoid the cracks in the pavement.... :whistle
andy2007
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Re: Who delivers the ballot papers to the scrutineers??

Post by andy2007 »

Night Tonic wrote:The only death is ignorance and beligerence - oodles of that but no purposeful realistic alternatives put forward either. Sigh.
I've already suggested some alternatives on here. Whether they're acceptable to the rest of the Membership is another matter. But the sad thing is, that the negotiators seemed to be under the impression, that we would be willing to accept attacks on our working conditions, in exchange for money. It could well come in, because people don't read the deal properly, and actually ARE swayed by the lump sums. But that's not the same as people knowingly accepting these changes, in return for the money. :hmmmm

Here are a few possible changes they could make to the deal:
1) Redistribute the money for wage increases, so that no-one looses any money in the first year, to make it fair.
2) Have a cast iron garantee, that if the talks on closures, and work rates, aren't entered into in good faith. That an independant mediator be brought in, and EA CAN'T be used to force them through.
3) Ensure that WCM is used properly. Rather than just abusing it to save money (job cuts), at the expense of safety and quality of service. If there's excess staff (which I seriously doubt), and there's volunteers for EVR, then fine. But they're getting rid of too many Posties, and leaving the rest with unrealistic workloads. Which is leading to cutting corners. :hmmmm
4) If neccessary, agree to a pay freeze, in exchange for protection of our T&Cs and H&S. After all: The Strikes were never about money in the first place. What we want, is to work all our hours, in a safe environment, and with an achievable workload. Nothing more, nothing less. :hmmmm
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