THE vote - Yes / No %, whaddya reckon?

[lovejoy]

The only barometer so far is the branch recommendations which are by far in favour of a 'YES'

our branch is recomending yes,however i speak to loads of members and 99% are voting NO............

Are they all members?
plus people don't always vote the way they claim they will.

yes they are all members,and i take people on face value,if they lie so be it.....

There are people in our office who don't like the deal, but they are not members.
There are a lot of people in our office, who in my opinion will vote yes, they are not lying about it they are just not shouting it from the rooftops.

whats known as the silent majority.....

[welshy808]

The only barometer so far is the branch recommendations which are by far in favour of a 'YES'

our branch is recomending yes,however i speak to loads of members and 99% are voting NO............ A recomendation isnt worth the paper it's written on............

Our Branch has recommended yes too, but every one that I've talked too, except one driver says they will be voting NO.
They also complain that their reps voted without consulting them. So some branch recommendations are just the view of a few reps and not the Branch at all.

[belle smith]

I would suggest this accusation could also be levelled at branch and HQ.

Secondly Branches are reluctant to tell the truth. For them to report that people are voting no to this agreement would lead to HQ questioning their commitment so its easier to paint a rosy picture.

I go along with that.

btw Lovejoy i don't doubt the sucsess of the meetings for reps...but even if they change their minds it's a much tougher pitch for them to give in the units.

[BELIAL]

a request was made buy our Regional Director to assess the general feeling people had of the agreement

Perhaps the 'majority' might change their minds when they get their hands on the complete agreement.

I think you may find the majority of people will see job security as a number one factor after all the CWU and RMG have seen this as a primary concern

That's not an unreasonable assertion depending on how the question was phrased.

Such a pity that this majority will suffer bitter disappointment if this 'smoke and mirrors' deal goes through because job security is one thing they will not get; a pay cut and increased workload with what looks like a national no strike agreement on the other hand is a dead cert.

[mucker]

So some branch recommendations are just the view of a few reps and not the Branch at all.

indeed which is the case for my branch who had a reps meeting,hence the reason i recommendations arent worth the paper they are written on......

[belle smith]

Is that right number six, did you predict a no vote for the ballot for the IA???

Time will tell Belle, but don't forget the views on this forum are a very small percentage in comparison of the whole of RMG and a national vote

And given, after reading through many many posts on this site seem to be a very minor militant few basically the same old few who oppose the agreement

Time will indeed tell, will it be similar to the outcome of the 2007 agreement??

Could you answer the question please.

btw The whole of RMG are not voteing Your polling may have gone wrong.

[BELIAL]

The only barometer so far is the branch recommendations which are by far in favour of a 'YES'

our branch is recomending yes,however i speak to loads of members and 99% are voting NO............ A recomendation isnt worth the paper it's written on............

Our Branch has recommended yes too, but every one that I've talked too, except one driver says they will be voting NO.
They also complain that their reps voted without consulting them. So some branch recommendations are just the view of a few reps and not the Branch at all.

Some branch recommendations are the view of the branch committee and even fewer reps

[I am number six]

The only barometer so far is the branch recommendations which are by far in favour of a 'YES'

our branch is recomending yes,however i speak to loads of members and 99% are voting NO............

Well barometers can be wrong mucker.
Especially when they are being continually tampered with by HQ.

Lovejoy wrote
Secondly DOMs are reluctant to tell the truth. For them to report that people are voting no to this agreement would lead to their bosses questioning their management so its easier to paint a rosy picture.

I would suggest this accusation could also be levelled at branch and HQ.

Secondly Branches are reluctant to tell the truth. For them to report that people are voting no to this agreement would lead to HQ questioning their commitment so its easier to paint a rosy picture.

I think your point that the branches are painting a rosy picture is completely false. I've yet to meet one cwu official who has painted a rosy picture. Most think the vote will be close and most branches have recommended a yes vote because they feel that the deal is the best one that will be achieved for a number of reasons.

Nobody is painting a rosy picture - far from it

I have to agree it is no means the ideal, but for the survival of the business and security of employment

The agreement will eventually be to the advantage of everyone in the long run, considering the circumstances

And indeed this will be a close vote

[fishtank]

Well if "I am number 6" and "Lovejoy" are in agreement that seals my vote.

[belle smith]

I have to agree it is no means the ideal, but for the survival of the business and security of employment

The agreement will eventually be to the advantage of everyone in the long run, considering the circumstances

In your opinion!
and probably in your circumstances! which are? what is your role in the business?

[dvbuk55]

Well if "I am number 6" and "Lovejoy" are in agreement that seals my vote.

Yes that's my vote "swung" - just as soon as the job security issue is cleared up - because it is touted and yet NOTHING is secured under this agreement - the words are the words and what the agreement will be implemented on - not loosely worded assertions.

[belle smith]

I have to agree it is no means the ideal, but for the survival of the business and security of employment

The agreement will eventually be to the advantage of everyone in the long run, considering the circumstances

And indeed this will be a close vote

Thoses circumstances are? The gross mismanagement of the Company!!

Number 6, Who much does it cost to fund the pension deficit, created by that mismanagement???

The mismangement being the 13 year long pension holiday!!

[padraig1965]

I have to agree it is no means the ideal, but for the survival of the business and security of employment

The agreement will eventually be to the advantage of everyone in the long run, considering the circumstances

In your opinion!
and probably in your circumstances! which are? what is your role in the business?

Getting on Posties tits.Just remember he is not the one that has to work late Saturdays,DDS and later starts and the rest. :

[I am number six]

And Next You Will Be Telling Us You Have A Cristal Ball..............

maby I have

belle smith wrote:

There are a lot of people in our office, who in my opinion will vote yes, they are not lying about it they are just not shouting it from the rooftops.

[belle smith]

Number six, cat got your tongue? will your job more demanding and will you be taking a pay cut because of our incompatence? or does it not work that way round.

I have to agree it is no means the ideal, but for the survival of the business and security of employment

The agreement will eventually be to the advantage of everyone in the long run, considering the circumstances

And indeed this will be a close vote

Thoses circumstances are? The gross mismanagement of the Company!!

Number 6, How much does it cost to fund the pension deficit, created by that mismanagement???

The mismangement being the 13 year long pension holiday!!