Why strike?

[L Tommo]

As a customer, I have been viewing comments with interest.
Guys - your union is letting you all down big time and as the columnist says
'The dispute is seeing the fastest migration in business customers that Royal Mail has ever experienced and the longer the strike goes on, the worse the situation is becoming. Far from protecting job losses, postal workers are actually ensuring they happen.'
I totally agree with him and am transferring my business elsewhere – and you will be aware of many customers doing the same!

Your union is trying to stop essential changes to automation which will help stop the rot - to RM - of business going elsewhere; competitors already have such equipment. Strikes will most certainly NOT stop job losses, it will only increase the likelihood that they WILL happen. If the union was not playing it’s own games, and thus ignoring your best interests, they should be actively co-operating with RM to ensure all possible efficiencies; the country can see this – why can’t you and your ‘leaders’?
They appear not to have any sort of plan – everyone, especially customers, would be more impressed if you worked for no money on ‘strike’ days. It would actually show that you understand the issues and the implications on your own jobs of striking.

RM has 'lost' tens of thousands of managers in the last few years, all of whom left with good voluntary redundancy or early retirement packages - RM has never made anyone compulsorily redundant so job issues will only become an issue if the business is not turned around urgently; further strikes will help ensure that compulsory redundancies become inevitable.

It is unbelievable that the majority of union members cannot see this; there will always be a minority of trouble makers but they should be ignored in this situation.
You may not like the sound of this but it is the real world - it is high time you saw that and faced the reality!
You are only hurting yourselves and colleagues by striking.

ANOTHER CRACKER!!!! These undercover screws are fun aint they!!! I think you should go and hide the fact we know your little game and we aint playing sunshine!!! Tell ya boss/BIG AL/ lil adam/ or how far up the food chain you are?? Bog cleaner in 148 OLD STREET.... EC1...

PS two flushes and a good wipe around the lid please...

[IWW Fellow Worker]

I normally wouldn't bother to read anything which refers to everyone as 'Guys', just as I wouldn't pay much attention to anyone who begins a message with the word 'People'. I get this image of a git in a suit who drinks Perrier water or coffee, walks about with a laptop in a shoulder bag, uses words like 'performance indicator', 'best practice', 'flexing and tweaking' and 'touch base'. These are all hallmarks of an Estuary English speaking ponce. But this little gem:

Your union is trying to stop essential changes to automation which will help stop the rot

Tells me you are a lying Estuary English speaking ponce.

Good post. Sounds like he overdosed on WTL.

Yes. The old Work Time Lying!

[DirtyHarry]

As a customer, I have been viewing comments with interest.
Guys - your union is letting you all down big time and as the columnist says
'The dispute is seeing the fastest migration in business customers that Royal Mail has ever experienced and the longer the strike goes on, the worse the situation is becoming. Far from protecting job losses, postal workers are actually ensuring they happen.'
I totally agree with him and am transferring my business elsewhere – and you will be aware of many customers doing the same!

Your union is trying to stop essential changes to automation which will help stop the rot - to RM - of business going elsewhere; competitors already have such equipment. Strikes will most certainly NOT stop job losses, it will only increase the likelihood that they WILL happen. If the union was not playing it’s own games, and thus ignoring your best interests, they should be actively co-operating with RM to ensure all possible efficiencies; the country can see this – why can’t you and your ‘leaders’?
They appear not to have any sort of plan – everyone, especially customers, would be more impressed if you worked for no money on ‘strike’ days. It would actually show that you understand the issues and the implications on your own jobs of striking.

RM has 'lost' tens of thousands of managers in the last few years, all of whom left with good voluntary redundancy or early retirement packages - RM has never made anyone compulsorily redundant so job issues will only become an issue if the business is not turned around urgently; further strikes will help ensure that compulsory redundancies become inevitable.

It is unbelievable that the majority of union members cannot see this; there will always be a minority of trouble makers but they should be ignored in this situation.
You may not like the sound of this but it is the real world - it is high time you saw that and faced the reality!
You are only hurting yourselves and colleagues by striking.

As Cilla Black might say , Worra lorra load of cobblers !

[Laz]

Haha, the same crap is dished out any workers go on strike, "it will only harm you in the long run" it damages your business" " its not good for competition" etc etc. If we as workers were only interested in ensuring the business we work for was competitive then we'd all take wage cuts and agree to work longer hours for free.

Competition between businesses is just a means of attacking the condition of workers, of making each business more profitable at the expense of the employees. Time and time again we hear of how we're endangering our jobs or well being by taking action against bosses, and of course bosses detest us even more when we choose to stand on our own feet, but the reality is every day we go to work we're treated like s**t, we're treated like a means to an ends.

And with regards your comments as a "customer", dont you realise that most "customers" also tend to be workers? Talking of the effect on customers is like suggesting that all these people do is use services and buy stuff all day, as customers are also workers the strike is also in their interests. The attacks that are happening at Royal Mail are happening across the board to all sorts of customers/workers/parents/drivers etc etc. If we judged the effect of every strike from the view point of the isolated and disinterested "customer" then the results are bound to be negative, luckily we arent just "customers"!

To suggest that taking action against attacks on our well being isnt in our interests in the most patronising sack of s**t ive heard since i last picked up a copy of the Daily Mail.

[bristolchris]

As a customer, I have been viewing comments with interest.
Guys - your union is letting you all down big time and as the columnist says
'The dispute is seeing the fastest migration in business customers that Royal Mail has ever experienced and the longer the strike goes on, the worse the situation is becoming. Far from protecting job losses, postal workers are actually ensuring they happen.'
I totally agree with him and am transferring my business elsewhere – and you will be aware of many customers doing the same!

Your union is trying to stop essential changes to automation which will help stop the rot - to RM - of business going elsewhere; competitors already have such equipment. Strikes will most certainly NOT stop job losses, it will only increase the likelihood that they WILL happen. If the union was not playing it’s own games, and thus ignoring your best interests, they should be actively co-operating with RM to ensure all possible efficiencies; the country can see this – why can’t you and your ‘leaders’?
They appear not to have any sort of plan – everyone, especially customers, would be more impressed if you worked for no money on ‘strike’ days. It would actually show that you understand the issues and the implications on your own jobs of striking.

RM has 'lost' tens of thousands of managers in the last few years, all of whom left with good voluntary redundancy or early retirement packages - RM has never made anyone compulsorily redundant so job issues will only become an issue if the business is not turned around urgently; further strikes will help ensure that compulsory redundancies become inevitable.

It is unbelievable that the majority of union members cannot see this; there will always be a minority of trouble makers but they should be ignored in this situation.
You may not like the sound of this but it is the real world - it is high time you saw that and faced the reality!
You are only hurting yourselves and colleagues by striking.

Anyone reckon this is a manager??

Would agree with you, lame attempt. "RM has 'lost' tens of thousands of managers in the last few years, all of whom left with good voluntary redundancy or early retirement packages - RM has never made anyone compulsorily redundant so job issues will only become an issue if the business is not turned around urgently; further strikes will help ensure that compulsory redundancies become inevitable. " MANAGERS MAY OR MAY NOT LEAVE WITH `GOOD redundancy the workers Us do not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And further, R/M try in the main to use `C/Code or Attendance` against us this results in US being `fired` voluntary redundancy you must be KIDDING? If you are a customer my apologies, if not, P*** O**. ( "the fastest migration in business customers that Royal Mail has ever experienced" ) Post com/the regulator have told R/M TO LOSE BUSINESS to cease to be a monopoly, so this lost business is just that?

[Jonboy]

As a customer, I have been viewing comments with interest.
Guys - your union is letting you all down big time and as the columnist says
'The dispute is seeing the fastest migration in business customers that Royal Mail has ever experienced and the longer the strike goes on, the worse the situation is becoming. Far from protecting job losses, postal workers are actually ensuring they happen.'
I totally agree with him and am transferring my business elsewhere – and you will be aware of many customers doing the same!

Your union is trying to stop essential changes to automation which will help stop the rot - to RM - of business going elsewhere; competitors already have such equipment. Strikes will most certainly NOT stop job losses, it will only increase the likelihood that they WILL happen. If the union was not playing it’s own games, and thus ignoring your best interests, they should be actively co-operating with RM to ensure all possible efficiencies; the country can see this – why can’t you and your ‘leaders’?
They appear not to have any sort of plan – everyone, especially customers, would be more impressed if you worked for no money on ‘strike’ days. It would actually show that you understand the issues and the implications on your own jobs of striking.

RM has 'lost' tens of thousands of managers in the last few years, all of whom left with good voluntary redundancy or early retirement packages - RM has never made anyone compulsorily redundant so job issues will only become an issue if the business is not turned around urgently; further strikes will help ensure that compulsory redundancies become inevitable.

It is unbelievable that the majority of union members cannot see this; there will always be a minority of trouble makers but they should be ignored in this situation.
You may not like the sound of this but it is the real world - it is high time you saw that and faced the reality!
You are only hurting yourselves and colleagues by striking.

notpastit As a customer would you care to give us your company name so we can ensure you get preferential treatment over other companies. I presume you are not joe bloggs living on high st etc?

Hurt is directly inflicted by ones self or group, our striking is done to force managers to wake up and realise why they are stressed out etc what 2 pr**s are trying to do to Royal mail?
Answer they cannot perform the job their in correctly. Always remember the cream is at the top of the milk not the bottom mate Postmen are at the bottom end of the scale we deliver your mail not the managers they deliver Bullshit Alan Leighton does ASK ALAN! mind you he would probarbly sell his mother for privatisation, he probarbly has already!!!!!!!

[PARKYBOY]

IT MAKES ME LAUGH ALL THE SH*T!!!! 40 MILLION BONUS, STUPID OFFERS OF 8 POUND A WEEK PAY RISES, MAYBE CROZIER AND BIG AL SHOULD FOR ONE MONTH OUT OF THERE VERY BUSY LIVES LIVE THE LIFE OF A POST MAN!!!!!! WORK AND RECIEVE OUR PAY!! MAYBE THEN IN THERE PRIMARK T SHIRTS AND SHORTS RETURN TO THE BOARDROOM AND NEGOTIATE :cfo

[Jonboy]

Well said parky

[PARKYBOY]

Well said parky

ITS TRUE PEOPLE CAN ARGUE TILL BLUE IN THE FACE, BUT THE POWERS THAT BE SHOULD GIVE THERE WAGES UP AND WORK AS US! MY DINNER COMES FROM A CHEAP PACKET OF HAM AND BREAD THERE DINNER IS PROBERLY A 3COURSE 250 PER HEAD 3 HOUR EXTRAVIGANZA!!!!

[DGP1]

Well said parky

ITS TRUE PEOPLE CAN ARGUE TILL BLUE IN THE FACE, BUT THE POWERS THAT BE SHOULD GIVE THERE WAGES UP AND WORK AS US! MY DINNER COMES FROM A CHEAP PACKET OF HAM AND BREAD THERE DINNER IS PROBERLY A 3COURSE 250 PER HEAD 3 HOUR EXTRAVIGANZA!!!!

I think you'll find that the more money you have the less likely you'll spend it (bet AL&AC get lunches provided)

[Jonboy]

Well said parky

ITS TRUE PEOPLE CAN ARGUE TILL BLUE IN THE FACE, BUT THE POWERS THAT BE SHOULD GIVE THERE WAGES UP AND WORK AS US! MY DINNER COMES FROM A CHEAP PACKET OF HAM AND BREAD THERE DINNER IS PROBERLY A 3COURSE 250 PER HEAD 3 HOUR EXTRAVIGANZA!!!!

I think you'll find that the more money you have the less likely you'll spend it (bet AL&AC get lunches provided)

Canteen girl told me vouchers were given to those who crossed line and RM picked up the tab!

[norbet colon]

As a customer, I have been viewing comments with interest.
Guys - your union is letting you all down big time and as the columnist says
'The dispute is seeing the fastest migration in business customers that Royal Mail has ever experienced and the longer the strike goes on, the worse the situation is becoming. Far from protecting job losses, postal workers are actually ensuring they happen.'
I totally agree with him and am transferring my business elsewhere – and you will be aware of many customers doing the same!

Your union is trying to stop essential changes to automation which will help stop the rot - to RM - of business going elsewhere; competitors already have such equipment. Strikes will most certainly NOT stop job losses, it will only increase the likelihood that they WILL happen. If the union was not playing it’s own games, and thus ignoring your best interests, they should be actively co-operating with RM to ensure all possible efficiencies; the country can see this – why can’t you and your ‘leaders’?
They appear not to have any sort of plan – everyone, especially customers, would be more impressed if you worked for no money on ‘strike’ days. It would actually show that you understand the issues and the implications on your own jobs of striking.

RM has 'lost' tens of thousands of managers in the last few years, all of whom left with good voluntary redundancy or early retirement packages - RM has never made anyone compulsorily redundant so job issues will only become an issue if the business is not turned around urgently; further strikes will help ensure that compulsory redundancies become inevitable.

It is unbelievable that the majority of union members cannot see this; there will always be a minority of trouble makers but they should be ignored in this situation.
You may not like the sound of this but it is the real world - it is high time you saw that and faced the reality!
You are only hurting yourselves and colleagues by striking.

Anyone reckon this is a manager??

:lfo This is like reading H******* sound s like one of thier mods , RM had a unheard of in business 17 layers of mgt, last year. As for the real world its L&C and thier senior mgt that live in Ivory Towers . RM do not go against thier own but as for making people compulsory redundant , they will use any underhand means to get people through the door as cheaply as possible. No I'm sorry , You get real , nobody likes or trusts L&C and thier senior mgt .

[gspot01]

You seem to have watched one of Leightons videos with great interest, you read of all of his bullshit almost as if you were him yourself never

One word of advice, seein as youve been nice enough to give us some. Why dont you get of your arse and try delivering some post, see for yourself the pish we have to put up with from managers, carry heavy bags, get your arse bitten by rottweilers and their pets in some cases. Have the heavens open on you most days and get the s**t wages that we get.

Then and only then if you have the same views I may even take a second to listen to them, now if you are not prepared to try that then I suggest you stick your head up your personal letterbox and :cfo

[TrueBlueTerrier]

As a customer, I have been viewing comments with interest.

Your union is trying to stop essential changes to automation which will help stop the rot - to RM - of business going elsewhere; competitors already have such equipment.

Please present the articles/proof which you base this comment on.

As a Postman I am not aware that any automation has been put in anywhere or is even included within this pay offer, 40,000 redundancies. There are a few machines which are being tested in certain areas, however they are not working as well as RM say or wish they were. In plain and simple fact the Modernisation RM trumpet equate to pay cuts with more work such as

At present they pay us for D2Ds - they want to stop it paying for it but increase the amount we deliver - Modernisation/Automation ?

At present we are paid to deliver Election materials - RM will still charge for it being delivered but wont pass on that payment to post people, Modernisation/Automation ?

They want us start our duties later than at present this has 2 effects
1. We loose allowances (the real reason they want to bring this in)
2. You will get your mail 1 1/4 hours later than now (if your lucky) - Modernisation/Automation ?

They want us to cover sick and holiday absences without any extra time/pay to do it. In a call centre/Shop this would mean you would have to stay longer and serve more customers for no extra money. Modernisation/Automation ?

Another thing that RM have no control over is that we can only charge DSA users 13p per letter, but the minimum we can charge anyone else for our cheapest Bulk mailing product is roughly 18p - Modernisation/Automation ?

Also we cannot apply back to the business that we have lost until at least 2 years after the date of loosing the contract. Modernisation/Automation ?

Strikes will most certainly NOT stop job losses

We know that, if you had read previous comments on other threads before you posted your ill informed opinion you would have realised that we know job losses are on the way but we want it to be handled in a sympathetic and considerate way that does not leave those that are left in the business with bad working terms and conditions and being expected to do the impossible without the training or equipment to at least give it a good go.

[POSTMAN]

f***ing ell Teebs,you're on fire