What is your Branch Recommending?List.

[belle smith]

I agree with you love joy it seems if you don't agree with what certain posters even the moderators you either get warned or insulted.

Your entiteld to have your view, withot being insulted...the modarators insult you??? find that hard to believe.

I have to say once again that "in todays financial climate" this is a good deal for all, to secure the future of Royal Mail like every other business today they all are cutting costs too, like us they are feeling the pressures of this recession.

I would urge you all to vote yes to this agreement, not only will it secure your future, it will also secure the future of the business

Keep up the good work lovejoy and hopefully people will see what is right and reap the benefits

I entierly disagree with you. We went on strike because RM were using Pegasus and IWT without agreement and giving employees unmanageble workloads, with operational managers harrassing and bullying anybody unable to cope, or work complulsary overtime.

Royal Mail also achieved a defacto increase to the delivery span through the use of imposed pegasus revisions via EA.

The CWU national policy was for local units not to agree to these revisions. and not to agree to increased delivery spans, "to force Royal Mail to the negotiating table" The vast majority of units followed the policy, and RM were forced to the negotiating table.

The Proposed agreement now accepts the use of pegasus and IWT....okay not a problem there. But the agreement does not specifiy the performance standards to be used, and even when those standards are derived They will not form part of the agreement!! Thats a major problem for me! .......if RM don't abide by the performance standards that come out of the work shops will they be breaking the agreement?? NO!

Further more the agreement has abolished delivery spans, it's not just that there is no longer an nationally agreed delivery span, this agreement prohibits locally agreed maximum delivery spans! Again thats a major problem for me! .....If RM, at some point in the future increase you delivery span to 5hrs 30mins and this is not part of the 'menu' of options will they be breaking the agreement??? NO!

These are the things we went on strike for, and not only have they not been addressed, This agreement makes them far worse! This has sweet FA to do with "todays fianancial climate" But i assume by that you mean the paycut......sorry delivery supplement.

[I am number six]

No.6 said:

"very simple this will enable people to keep in employment

How much explaining does that need?? "

Tell that to the 50% of Mail Centre staff who will lose their jobs and don't forget the people who will be forced out because they want their Saturdays or they don't want to work with a partner.

Do you remember the strike?

The reason for striking was to put an end to bullying and management by fear. This proposed deal does not solve the bullying issue. It is a disgrace.

Vote No.

If people leave the business they may have to work 9-5 anyway

Working with a partner is a H&S improvement

it's not a case of bullying management, it's a case of survival

Strikes will not change or improve this agreement again it has been agreed with the CWU your union who has our interests at heart

Vote yes and secure a bright future

[fishtank]

I am number 6 wrote
"the CWU your union who has our interests at heart"

A rather strange turn of phrase.

[padraig1965]

I am number 6 wrote
"the CWU your union who has our interests at heart"

A rather strange turn of phrase.

Good point FT. So are you in Unite Then?.

[belle smith]

You's are kind of making his point about being insulted for disagreeing.........This also makes it easy to run away from the argument, let him debate, the agreements so bad, what is there to post to make it sound good.

[fishtank]

You's are kind of making his point about being insulted for disagreeing.........This also makes it easy to run away from the argument, let him debate, the agreements so bad, what is there to post to make it sound good.

I am all for debate belle but only with people who are open and honest about the position they debate from.
Some simply come on here to wind others up.
I refer you to i am number 6 first post.

Why do London posties get away with murder??????????

Sometimes it is best not to give every fire oxygen.

[belle smith]

I am all for debate belle but only with people who are open and honest about the position they debate from.
Some simply come on here to wind others up.
I refer you to i am number 6 first post.

Why do London posties get away with murder??????????

Sometimes it is best not to give every fire oxygen.

I've never seen any of his posts before, fair point bit rich to complain about insults with an opener like that!
is there a hypocrite smiley?

ps. sorry for the way i originally posted that fishtank.....technical difficulties not the computer me!

[MinisterofCucumber]

no.6 wrote:

"it's not a case of bullying management, it's a case of survival ."

What is the threat and who are the ones most in danger?

I am assuming the threat is privatisation when the postal market becomes fully open to competition after 31.12.10.

The ones most under threat are the surplus managers and the union bureaucrats. These are the people who are trying to convince those who do the real work that they should be frightened.

No.6 also wrote:

" again it has been agreed with the CWU your union "

This is a line I have heard from local managers. One told me that by joining the union you sign away your rights to negotiate and that whatever your rep agrees to, you have to go along with. This was a middle ranking manager who gave his managers very little information and told the rep not to discuss any proposals because it would break confidentiality.

This proposed agreement is all about the CWU trying to survive by showing management that its staff controlling capability makes it indispensible.

[I am number six]

What is the threat and who the ones most in danger?

no threat as a whole, no one is immune from the danger of loosing employment

I am assuming the threat is privatisation when the postal market becomes fully open to competition after 31.12.10.

That is the goverments call......whoever get in

The ones most under threat are the surplus managers and the union bureaucrats. These are the people who are trying to convince those who do the real work that they should be frightened.

Not so much if the agreement is voted in

This is a line I have heard from local managers. One told me that by joining the union you sign away your rights to negotiate and that whatever your rep agrees to, you have to go along with. This was a middle ranking manager who gave his managers very little information and told the rep not to discuss any proposals because it would break confidentiality

I am not in a position to give an answer to this is the peoples Choice

[smokerjim]

No.6 also wrote:

" again it has been agreed with the CWU your union "

This is a line I have heard from local managers. One told me that by joining the union you sign away your rights to negotiate and that whatever your rep agrees to, you have to go along with. This was a middle ranking manager who gave his managers very little information and told the rep not to discuss any proposals because it would break confidentiality.

When was the last time anyone saw a non member with different pay, T&Cs to union members after negotiating ( and getting ) a seperate deal with management ( of any level )? I thought if everyone got the same pay, T&Cs wether you're in the Union or not .....maybe it's different for Unite members, so your local mgrs might actually be right for once MoC

[MinisterofCucumber]

They are right, but what do you do if your rep refuses to pass information on to his members and senior managers refuse to inform junior managers?

My management has used local agreement as an enabler for tyranny. The problem lies with the seductiveness of power. Local agreement has given our rep a taste of power and he likes it. As I have said before, our unit is run on the basis that the mostly immigrant minority of the evening shift do most of the work. There is not much chance of voting our rep out. Our office is a reflection of the New Labour model, proudly ignorant people are given money and power while educated immigrants are forced to work like slaves for low wages.

The rep should be representing the members' views. How can the members have a view on something they don't know about?

[belle smith]

The ones most under threat are the surplus managers and the union bureaucrats. These are the people who are trying to convince those who do the real work that they should be frightened.

Not so much if the agreement is voted in

ehh That was his point.

[POSTMAN]

Another!! heads up as i've had a complaint...

1st read the link...

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 42&t=25494" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Also a reminder of the rules,don't take liberties with us...

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/community/rules.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


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[Steviea34]

I've Seen a few Branch recommendations posted on here. So I thought I would start a thread where we can keep an eye on them.
I will edit This first post to list all Branches that get Posted.


Recommending a Yes

Gwent
Wolverhampton
Essex amal
Western counties Amal
Wessex South Central Branch
London South West


Recommending a No

North Lancs and Cumbria
Bristol and District
South East Wales Amal
Eastern No6
Kent Invicta
Portsmouth & District Postal

The point of the thread is the above, so if its no trouble any updates?

[belle smith]

Going off topic when discussing an all encompassing agreement is unavoidable Postman.

My appologies welshy