What are the strikes about?

[Spedley]

I keep hearing different resons on the news for the strikes.
First it's because of low wages, then it's Post Office closure etc. I think the union need to send a clear statement to the all press outlining exactly why we are striking.

I voted 'yes' because of the list of 22 changes to be brought into the office. I think we are well paid and that is not an issue for me. I do think there is room for efficiency savings but Royal Mail's efficiency seems to be "do more work for the same money" rather than "work more efficiently for the same money".

I'm sure that the public would rally to our cause if we told them that Royal Mail wants their post to be delivered later with more leaflets shoved throught their doors !

[evilc]

I keep hearing different resons on the news for the strikes.
First it's because of low wages, then it's Post Office closure etc. I think the union need to send a clear statement to the all press outlining exactly why we are striking.

I voted 'yes' because of the list of 22 changes to be brought into the office. I think we are well paid and that is not an issue for me. I do think there is room for efficiency savings but Royal Mail's efficiency seems to be "do more work for the same money" rather than "work more efficiently for the same money".

I'm sure that the public would rally to our cause if we told them that Royal Mail wants their post to be delivered later with more leaflets shoved throught their doors !

question for spedley

Do you have family
Do you have a mortgage
Do you live at home

If you answer no to the first two and yes to the last of these questions that is the only way you could think our wages are good.

[DirtyHarry]

We are well paid ???????????

That would be music to Late one & Dozier's ears , kop yourself on ffs.

[Spedley]

I'm very well payed for an unskilled labour job. £8.50 per hour! where else will you get that?

Using the figures, I can see where management gets it's 25% overpayed and 40% underworked from.

£6.80 is not far off a delivery drivers wage and I see many people doing 6 hours of an 8:30 hour job.
Obviously the figures and the facts are different, for example a delivery driver can't be criminally prosecuted if they take too long on delivery and most office workers would finish 2 hours early if they could go home when they were done.

I have a family and I have a mortgage and therefore a home. Our wages aren't good but they are fair.

EDIT:

As for the pay rise, 2.5% is lower than I think we should get.
If a postman earns £16,500 per year then 2.5% is an extra £412 so 2.5% and an £800 bonus is 7.5% I'd still rather have 4% and no bonus.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

Working for Royal Mail gives me the one thing money can't buy. Poverty!

[evilc]

Our wages aren't good but they are fair.

That is a change from your last post when you said " I think we are well paid ".

[Spedley]

Like I said, I think we are well paid, i.e. paid well for the job we do.

[L Tommo]

Like I said, I think we are well paid, i.e. paid well for the job we do.

I see Warwickshire.... But where? In a Forest or hole in the ground...

[L Tommo]

Like I said, I think we are well paid, i.e. paid well for the job we do.

I see Warwickshire.... But where? In a Forest or hole in the ground... ?

I Lived in London up until 3 years ago and it is so exspensive i couldnt buy a house or get a morgage on Inner London waiting let alone the pay you must get for being out side London!!! Im not taking the piss or want a row over prices of living in Britain But your comments shock me how you say your "WELL PAID FOR WHAT YOU DO." ??????? So do you think you shouldnt be paid anymore for your work then Spedley???? If not then pass it on to the one parent familys who work in this job and need child care or the people who cant afford to travel to work because of the prices of travel around the country...

Lets face it MOST of us are earning a kids wage... An apprentices wage... I worked at 18 for a Butchers and got £300 pound a week and im 36 now and get much the same... Inflation... house prices.. living cost.... ALL UP.... Our wages.... DOWN.... FACT...


OUT

A FAIR DAYS PAY FOR A FAIR DAYS WORK....

[johno47]

Spedley, are you a boss trying to wind us up, if your a postman then you havnt worked on here long, you added the 2.5 pay deal with the £800, its not both its one or the other, and thanks for introducing me to a new experience, thats the first time in all the years ive been postman that ive ever been called well paid, if you want a well paid unskilled job theres one just been advertised in my local paper working for DHL in the warehouse, £7.20 an hour, bugger off and do that...UNITY IS STRENGTH.

[deadbox]

ALDI pay £9.00 p/h here in a rural location ( England ) ....This for passing items over a scanner + stocking shelfs etc.

( I'mm not be-littleing ALDI workers here... They deserve £9.......Everything costs so much nowadays..The have families to feed etc.....And like postmen, they have to put up with problem customers / managers who's BONUS depends on higher and higher sales figures....)

I'm just saying that we are not well paid.......

[kinmad4it]

I can see where he's coming from though with his "we are well paid"
The job doesn't require much skill or training. Basic common sense and reading English is about it. We hardly need the same training an electrician or plumber does. The bits that you do need training for, like knowing how and when to use a docket left, using a Special Delivery card correctly, they're not rocket science.
And how many on here know posties who still doorstep packets because filling a docket out is too much like hard work. Or sign the Special Dleivery card themselves and post the letter because no one's in. That still happens.
An awful lot of people make time every day. It maybe only half an hour or even 20 minutes. But what other industry let you go early.
It's not a brilliant wage, but it isn't that bad considering what we do.

[L Tommo]

THANK THE WAY BACKWARDS FOR THE LACK OF SKILL IN THE JOB... Or SHOULD I SAY THE LACK OF WORTH RM THINK OF PHG'S AND PNM FULLSTOP....

ONCE THAT PIECE OF BOLLOX CAME IN THIS JOB WAS DE-SKILLED.Full Knowledge sorting worked and kept the missort rates down!!! FACT!!! ALPHA sorting is for lame brains.. And made it easy for Casuals to come in and take our jobs with very little training!!!

Ok the job over all is Unskilled labour... But do you know a Dustman or road sweeper with the responciblity of a Postie??? No offence to dusties n sweepers!!

The public USED to value our input into the community and held us in an TRUSTWORTHY place and respected us.... Not anymore Due to RM and there insistance to employ Mr and Mrs Illegal and half of the Un English speaking world..... Im not against ANYONE FROM ANYWHERE WORKING AND MAKING A LIVING...

But RM HAVE de valued our jobs... FACT!!!! WHY DONT RM VET PEOPLE LIKE THEY DID?? WHY DONT THEY TRAIN PEOPLE LIKE THEY DID???

WHY DO WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS LIKE WE DO????

BECAUSE RM WANT TO OUT US AND BRING IN CHEAP LABOUR.. WITH NO PRIDE OR KNOWLEDGE OF THIS 350+ YEAR OLD JOB OF OURS!!!

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[evilc]

I can see where he's coming from though with his "we are well paid"
The job doesn't require much skill or training. Basic common sense and reading English is about it. We hardly need the same training an electrician or plumber does. The bits that you do need training for, like knowing how and when to use a docket left, using a Special Delivery card correctly, they're not rocket science.
And how many on here know posties who still doorstep packets because filling a docket out is too much like hard work. Or sign the Special Dleivery card themselves and post the letter because no one's in. That still happens.
An awful lot of people make time every day. It maybe only half an hour or even 20 minutes. But what other industry let you go early.
It's not a brilliant wage, but it isn't that bad considering what we do.

That may or not be the case for deliveries, but you are treated like donkeys tho, but in mail centres and mdec's there is a thing called knowledge which you only aquire after years of sorting. You can't get a graduate in geography come straight out of uni and expect them to know job just cause of their qualification.

[L Tommo]

I can see where he's coming from though with his "we are well paid"
The job doesn't require much skill or training. Basic common sense and reading English is about it. We hardly need the same training an electrician or plumber does. The bits that you do need training for, like knowing how and when to use a docket left, using a Special Delivery card correctly, they're not rocket science.
And how many on here know posties who still doorstep packets because filling a docket out is too much like hard work. Or sign the Special Dleivery card themselves and post the letter because no one's in. That still happens.
An awful lot of people make time every day. It maybe only half an hour or even 20 minutes. But what other industry let you go early.
It's not a brilliant wage, but it isn't that bad considering what we do.

That may or not be the case for deliveries, but you are treated like donkeys tho, but in mail centres and mdec's there is a thing called knowledge which you only aquire after years of sorting. You can't get a graduate in geography come straight out of uni and expect them to know job just cause of their qualification.

GOOD CALL CLIVE....