London makes progress

[TrueBlueTerrier]

You 2

[belle smith]

True Green giant???

[westlondonpostie]

You 2

Hope you weren't wearing your uniform, they'll never believe you when you ring up the stores for replacements.

[dvbuk55]

Do you know I thought they were saying incredible bulk - because that green thingy was well before my time.

[belle smith]

Do you know I thought they were saying incredible bulk - because that green thingy was well before my time.

It wasn't before your time, he wasn't really green then, as it was in black and white.

[dvbuk55]

Do you know I thought they were saying incredible bulk - because that green thingy was well before my time.

It wasn't before your time, he wasn't really green then, as it was in black and white.

Ah! Is there such a thing as a colour TV belle, I've heard of them but never been able to afford one until now - with this new agreement I could be earning £400 by 2013 and could easily afford to change my rental TV for a new one - well second hand, siiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh, like most things I own

[belle smith]

Do you know I thought they were saying incredible bulk - because that green thingy was well before my time.

It wasn't before your time, he wasn't really green then, as it was in black and white.

Ah! Is there such a thing as a colour TV belle, I've heard of them but never been able to afford one until now - with this new agreement I could be earning £400 by 2013 and could easily afford to change my rental TV for a new one - well second hand, siiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh, like most things I own

Don't forget your LUMPSUM!!! you'll maybe be able to get one of those plasms thingies

[dvbuk55]

Do you know I thought they were saying incredible bulk - because that green thingy was well before my time.

It wasn't before your time, he wasn't really green then, as it was in black and white.

Ah! Is there such a thing as a colour TV belle, I've heard of them but never been able to afford one until now - with this new agreement I could be earning £400 by 2013 and could easily afford to change my rental TV for a new one - well second hand, siiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh, like most things I own

Don't forget your LUMPSUM!!! you'll maybe be able to get one of those plasms thingies

I was hoping to put that to one side for a rainy day, you need a helluva lot of timber for the size of boat we'll need when this deal goes through

[Steviea34]

I have to say apart from Belle Smith the level of debate on this post has been nothing short of a disgrace. Some of the posts prove some people are not trade unionists and not intrested in the collective union only in themselves.

Some of you are live in some fantasy land. Where in the post did I say that London was going to either support or reject an agreement ?, The way we always do things in London is that Branch Committees make decisions after consulting with the reps and members and then we have a discussion on the Divisional Committee to see whether their is a concensus and then if there is we put out central comms , if there is not we put out comms to members stating they should support their Branch recommedation.

We have done this under every agreement. Sometimes on major agreements we have all agreed ,sometimes we have not. In fact only 9 Branch`s in the whole of th uk voted by a members majority against Pay and Mod in 2007. Three of them were in London.

A lot of posts have been put up asking for an update on London and I gave you that update.

Now TBT and others the postal executive carried a policy at the meeting when the agreement was endorsed which said a ballot would not go out until the interim agreement issues were resolved. Whilst London had the most problems , other branchs have now resolved their issues. This is not looking after London is was recognising that the interim issues had to be resolved.

Now lets get one thing straight , London took 20 days strike action most members losing on average £1500 on behalf of this union and had we and others not done so we would not be talking about an agreement we would be talking of Royal Mail continuing to impose things on the workforce.

Another thing anyone who believes the strikes started and ended with two days of national action then again they are wrong. Some of us was in a bitter dispute. The tactic was to attempt to slag off the London membership becuase if they got enough members in the uK to believe the rubbish then they could destroy the whole o the union. People in the East of Scotland , Bristol , Plymouth , Thetford , Network and many others didt believe this was about London it was about their future.

No one went on strike in support of London only , they went on support for their futures.

In fact there is still bitterness in London that a lot of mail centres which we have list to prove did our work on overtime when we were on strike . Hardly supporting London and hardly in the best of trade union traditions.

Another thing some one said wait till London mail centres start closing. Well where have you been in 1994 London had 10 mail centres now we have 3 . However we fought for people and we achieved an agreement which became the MTSF agreement nationally.

Some of you are a disgrace to slag off the London membership who were willing to keep taking strike action months before some of you did. By all means have a go at me, that is fine and expected but dont slag of people who suffered great hardships fighting for this union along with other brave members. If London , the East of Scotland and others had not taken strike action then the natonal strike would have been a lot longer. After all the interim agreement was almost there before the national strikes started and it was only the leaked newsnight document which stopped those talks and caused the first national strike.

Dirty Harry your more then welcome to come tomorrow and make your points thats what being in the union is all about , debates , judgement and unity. The altrernative and some of you are bordering on is fascism which only allows for one view.

With regards to Tooting they reached an agreement to retain the 4 day week in early January.

And asking for an explanation on BSI/IWT MEASURES & FIGURES to be used on numerous threads & RECEIVING NO RESPONSE is not a JOKE,
along with the 1 IN 4 SAT OFF ENABLERS - with no explanation on how this is to be accomplished - is not a joke. If London keep their 4 day weeks
then i suppose the majority will be on 1 in 4 Saturdays off. Like I've said put some meat on the bones & i might consider yes, but "NO INFO - NO VOTO"
Unless of course there are 2 CWU's & i am in the wrong one , still no info from the union

[dvbuk55]

No Likee - Vote Noee as Paddy would say.

[johnnyrocker]

We was one of the offices that was given a walk back last Monday before the London Briefing. That was progress.....A week down the line this has now been taken back and handed to Collections to deliver because they pick there vans up from our office..Nothing agreed at Resourcing meeting just told were taking it back like it or lump it.So were back to the same old arguments sending staff to other offices to work. CWU to be involved in every aspect of change.....I DONT THINK SO

[fishtank]

We was one of the offices that was given a walk back last Monday before the London Briefing. That was progress.....A week down the line this has now been taken back and handed to Collections to deliver because they pick there vans up from our office..Nothing agreed at Resourcing meeting just told were taking it back like it or lump it.So were back to the same old arguments sending staff to other offices to work. CWU to be involved in every aspect of change.....I DONT THINK SO

Good god this new relationship is starting to unravel already and we haven't even placed our X yet.

[brothermagrew]

We was one of the offices that was given a walk back last Monday before the London Briefing. That was progress.....A week down the line this has now been taken back and handed to Collections to deliver because they pick there vans up from our office..Nothing agreed at Resourcing meeting just told were taking it back like it or lump it.So were back to the same old arguments sending staff to other offices to work. CWU to be involved in every aspect of change.....I DONT THINK SO

Good god this new relationship is starting to unravel already and we haven't even placed our X yet.

Nah fishtank isn't it two XX's the PEC is recommending CWU members vote yes to both questions on the ballot paper. And there's a conundrum if it transpires that it is indeed two XX's what if only one question on the ballot paper is crossed off, is it then a spoilt paper?

[fishtank]

We was one of the offices that was given a walk back last Monday before the London Briefing. That was progress.....A week down the line this has now been taken back and handed to Collections to deliver because they pick there vans up from our office..Nothing agreed at Resourcing meeting just told were taking it back like it or lump it.So were back to the same old arguments sending staff to other offices to work. CWU to be involved in every aspect of change.....I DONT THINK SO

Good god this new relationship is starting to unravel already and we haven't even placed our X yet.

Nah fishtank isn't it two XX's the PEC is recommending CWU members vote yes to both questions on the ballot paper. And there's a conundrum if it transpires that it is indeed two XX's what if only one question on the ballot paper is crossed off, is it then a spoilt paper?

That is a very good point brothermagrew,and one that warrants further investigation.
Perhaps dingo or Lovejoy could help us out with this one.

[lovejoy]

We was one of the offices that was given a walk back last Monday before the London Briefing. That was progress.....A week down the line this has now been taken back and handed to Collections to deliver because they pick there vans up from our office..Nothing agreed at Resourcing meeting just told were taking it back like it or lump it.So were back to the same old arguments sending staff to other offices to work. CWU to be involved in every aspect of change.....I DONT THINK SO

Good god this new relationship is starting to unravel already and we haven't even placed our X yet.

Nah fishtank isn't it two XX's the PEC is recommending CWU members vote yes to both questions on the ballot paper. And there's a conundrum if it transpires that it is indeed two XX's what if only one question on the ballot paper is crossed off, is it then a spoilt paper?

That is a very good point brothermagrew,and one that warrants further investigation.
Perhaps dingo or Lovejoy could help us out with this one.

No as long as the paper isn't defaced it would count but it would be pointless. For example if the MTSF vote went through and the Agreement didnt then the MTSF section wouldn't be applied anyway as it is part of the agreement. The only reason it is a seperate question is because it is a group wide issue and not just an RM one.