D2D Presentation.

[dvbuk55]

Did we not all go on strike because we were being bullied and harrassed by management to hit unrealistic budgets? Did we not all go on strike because unmanageable change was being forced through without agreement. All that has been addressed in the new agreement. CWU involvement at every stage and regular progress meetings with the involvement of ACAS. A 7% pay rise over 3 years and £1000 bonuses attached, a shorter working week. full time work protected and increased with D2D going into the workload so no real chance of slack in the working day, therefore no lapsing duties. and a £20.60 delivery supplement. HCTs Vans etc all brought into help us. You cant be forced to work over-time. No one can be forced to leave, buy down or go part-time.

AND WE ARE STILL NOT HAPPY??? I can see the press headlines now if this deal gets a no vote. We will be spat on in the streets. esp when people left right and centre are being made redundant or cant get a job for love nor money!!!

Some people wont change and cant change no matter how much they get!! The "good old days" of getting finished at 10am and paid till 1pm are long gone!! The sooner that is understood the better.

Read the agreement - you are wrong on all counts - if it looks too good to be true it is - and this doesn't even look good. You don't mention the pro rata payment for PT Staff, for them the supplement is NOT £20.60, did you mention that the £1000 is conditional and again pro rata, that the shorter working week comes with sequenced revisions perhaps two years away, that the largest pay rise of 3.5% is NOT guaranteed, there is absolutely NO protection for jobs either full or part time, that ACAS will be involved is a farce because they aren't going to go to each individual unit and they are just a sop for the likes of you.

Your theory is that we should accept lower pay, worse working conditions, like unspecified delivery spans and longer Saturdays because we are being employed - exactly how low would you go to keep your job. If your delivery office is finished for 10 am, then you are precisely the type of people these draconian conditions are aimed at, unfortunately good and productive offices will be the ones who suffer.

[NoSurrenderX]

Did we not all go on strike because we were being bullied and harrassed by management to hit unrealistic budgets? Did we not all go on strike because unmanageable change was being forced through without agreement. All that has been addressed in the new agreement. CWU involvement at every stage and regular progress meetings with the involvement of ACAS. A 7% pay rise over 3 years and £1000 bonuses attached, a shorter working week. full time work protected and increased with D2D going into the workload so no real chance of slack in the working day, therefore no lapsing duties. and a £20.60 delivery supplement. HCTs Vans etc all brought into help us. You cant be forced to work over-time. No one can be forced to leave, buy down or go part-time.

AND WE ARE STILL NOT HAPPY??? I can see the press headlines now if this deal gets a no vote. We will be spat on in the streets. esp when people left right and centre are being made redundant or cant get a job for love nor money!!!

Some people wont change and cant change no matter how much they get!! The "good old days" of getting finished at 10am and paid till 1pm are long gone!! The sooner that is understood the better.

Read the agreement - you are wrong on all counts - if it looks too good to be true it is - and this doesn't even look good. You don't mention the pro rata payment for PT Staff, for them the supplement is NOT £20.60, did you mention that the £1000 is conditional and again pro rata, that the shorter working week comes with sequenced revisions perhaps two years away, that the largest pay rise of 3.5% is NOT guaranteed, there is absolutely NO protection for jobs either full or part time, that ACAS will be involved is a farce because they aren't going to go to each individual unit and they are just a sop for the likes of you.

Your theory is that we should accept lower pay, worse working conditions, like unspecified delivery spans and longer Saturdays because we are being employed - exactly how low would you go to keep your job. If your delivery office is finished for 10 am, then you are precisely the type of people these draconian conditions are aimed at, unfortunately good and productive offices will be the ones who suffer.

Oh and there are VR`s avaliable aswell .

[dvbuk55]

Did we not all go on strike because we were being bullied and harrassed by management to hit unrealistic budgets? Did we not all go on strike because unmanageable change was being forced through without agreement. All that has been addressed in the new agreement. CWU involvement at every stage and regular progress meetings with the involvement of ACAS. A 7% pay rise over 3 years and £1000 bonuses attached, a shorter working week. full time work protected and increased with D2D going into the workload so no real chance of slack in the working day, therefore no lapsing duties. and a £20.60 delivery supplement. HCTs Vans etc all brought into help us. You cant be forced to work over-time. No one can be forced to leave, buy down or go part-time.

AND WE ARE STILL NOT HAPPY??? I can see the press headlines now if this deal gets a no vote. We will be spat on in the streets. esp when people left right and centre are being made redundant or cant get a job for love nor money!!!

Some people wont change and cant change no matter how much they get!! The "good old days" of getting finished at 10am and paid till 1pm are long gone!! The sooner that is understood the better.

Read the agreement - you are wrong on all counts - if it looks too good to be true it is - and this doesn't even look good. You don't mention the pro rata payment for PT Staff, for them the supplement is NOT £20.60, did you mention that the £1000 is conditional and again pro rata, that the shorter working week comes with sequenced revisions perhaps two years away, that the largest pay rise of 3.5% is NOT guaranteed, there is absolutely NO protection for jobs either full or part time, that ACAS will be involved is a farce because they aren't going to go to each individual unit and they are just a sop for the likes of you.

Your theory is that we should accept lower pay, worse working conditions, like unspecified delivery spans and longer Saturdays because we are being employed - exactly how low would you go to keep your job. If your delivery office is finished for 10 am, then you are precisely the type of people these draconian conditions are aimed at, unfortunately good and productive offices will be the ones who suffer.

Oh and there are VR`s avaliable aswell .

Great that'll protect jobs right enough - not prepared to defend your statement then - nosurrenderx - what a poor choice of name under the circumstances - white flag would have been much more apt.

[NoSurrenderX]

Not everyone will be happy thats true. What is the alternative? go back on strike? lose money we will never get back. Royal Mail will turn around and say F you. The public will be on their side. Royal Mail will say....see we tried to sort things out, we offered extra money and reward for change, shorter working weeks etc etc etc and the Union turned it down. We would be hung out to dry.

The Royal Mail wanted to put the D2D into workload and leave it at that. By rights they could of. The Union rejected that and secured over £1000 P.A delivery supplement pro. rata. But hey its a democratic society and everyone is entitled to their opinion and to vote yes or no. If after hearing all the arguments for and against you still think its a bad deal then vote no.

[fishtank]

The Royal Mail wanted to put the D2D into workload and leave it at that. By rights they could of.

The only way Royal Mail could do this is by breaking the existing D2D agreement and fine they could try that.
But by the same token they could still do that in this agreement and much easier really.....stop paying the supplement.
And nobody is going back out on strike,what do you think the result of a fresh national strike ballot would be?

[dvbuk55]

I don't object to people voting YES nosurrender - what I do object to is people using false premises and false promises to elicit that vote.

[BELIAL]

I don't object to people voting YES nosurrender - what I do object to is people using false premises and false promises to elicit that vote.

Ah you mean this sort of thing

The Union rejected that and secured over £1000 P.A delivery supplement pro. rata.

[lovenotmoney]

Don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet but I read the management briefing on the agreement and noticed that it said that D2D will be able to be delivered 'day specific'.
Wonder which day of the week that could be then?

[POSTMAN]

Don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet but I read the management briefing on the agreement and noticed that it said that D2D will be able to be delivered 'day specific'.
Wonder which day of the week that could be then?

Well verced on here.
Sat seems to be the favourite.

[S6 Stroller]

Don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet but I read the management briefing on the agreement and noticed that it said that D2D will be able to be delivered 'day specific'.
Wonder which day of the week that could be then?

They're so clever aren't they? :cfo

[weasel]

Named/specific day(s) and/or Saturdays, this is likely to, no, will add considerably to our work load, after all Crozier is on record as saying "he would be happy to have 20 D2D per week" Of course he is, he does'nt have to deliver them. :mfo Jerk Off. We will end up having to prep and deliver to every call 6 days a week. That's progress for you.

[Big Daz]

Both parties also recognise that in addition to growth in the core D2D product further commercial opportunities are likely to exist particularly for named/specific day(s) products and/or Saturdays which may provide Royal Mail with additional scope for increased revenue. In order to take advantage of any potential in this area any further commercial opportunities will remain subject to ongoing dialogue, joint monitoring and review and will also be discussed and agreed with the CWU nationally at the quarterly review meetings with a view to capturing any viable opportunities for the mutual benefit of Royal Mail and its employees and to also deal with any workload issues.

[Big Daz]

By all means have a lack of faith that RM/CWU can make day specific work, but lets show were the experts here and use our frontline experience and expertise to tell RM/CWU the best way to do that rather than sit dissintertested on our hands and let RM/CWU tell us how its going to work and then moan we we dont like it.

All RM/CWU have done is say that there is a commercial opportunity and they will continue to disscuss this and try and turn it into a viable product. I would suggestion we do test runs using RML/Post office leaflets using one volunteer D.Os in each postcode area that way if it dosent work out no angry customer wanting their money back and staff can still cut off if RM/CWU get the workload wrong. The section does say it has to be agreed by the CWU, no viable agreement no delivery by our members should be CWU policy. I would suggest OT paid at SA rate or some other form of extra payment should be looked at in the ongoing talks, that will enable us to work the extra hours that be needed to deliver the product. Im sure there would be volunteers especially during the week. Should the outcome of their deliberations go to ballot, if so what type?

So boys and girls, can and how can day specific DTD be turend into a commercial and operational viable reality?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

So boys and girls, can and how can day specific DTD be turend into a commercial and operational viable reality?

Quite simple from my point of view it cant.

There are a few options that I can think of and I will also include the reasons why I don't think they will work.

1. Make all duties 100% call rate - too expensive as they would have to put more hours in something they are unlikely to do. (End of Longs and Shorts BTW and lapsing on D2D specific days)

2. Make the day specific a premium service. Good in principle however, any profit made will be eroded significantly by paying overtime to posties willing to do it, or recompense when they can't cover cut offs because of the later finishes.

3. Force duty holders to deliver all D2D Day specific on the day irrespective of circumstance. Extremely unlikely as this would not fit into the new supposed ethos of working with the employees/union and would likely cause even more IR disruption.

4. Offer OT at SA, unlikely both on cost and willingness of workers to do cut offs beyond 3 or 4 pm.

5. Offer a set rate for some to do it as a temporary worker employed just to do D2Ds. Possible, in fact probably the most likely however, will be difficult to arrange on specific days and retention and even recruitment would be difficult to say the least.

[janitor]

The main market for this would be shops having a weekend sale, so the saturday D2D drops on the doormat Saturday morning with the post, people think aint doing much might go for that, only problem is RM have just killed that market , by making sure the mail don't hit the doormat till afternoon, so people think too late now so straight in the bin.