What happens If its a No Result

[MinisterofCucumber]

A 'No' vote does not mean a strike.

It just means that nothing in this agreement is agreed.

If RM break existing agreements our courts will punish them. If they could bring in changes without agreement, they would.

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[Just_My_Opinion]

Will the CWU be finished?

Will Royal Mail be able to basically bypass the CWU in future agreements as they have done with this agreement?

Is my job really secure or do I risk getting the conduct code or even sacked because I can't complete my delivery even though the computer says I can?

[Just_My_Opinion]

from what I understand, if we vote NO, RM will just simply scrap the agreement and bring all the changes regardless of opposition, we would have to be prepared to go out on strike again, I believe it was a strategic error to suspend strikes during Christmas, its too late now.

we now have 2 options, vote YES get the money, retain some influence on changes, WORK TO YOUR TIME, make sure the workload does not push you over your time, the fact that D2D are now live mail, means you can claim dockets if you go over.
don't use your cars, have a procedure in place for potential conflict between drivers sharing vans, there will some issues.

Vote NO, go out on strike, lose the money, no guarantee they will give us a better offer, maybe they will improve on it, you will be forced to work in the new system, sparking potential wildcat unofficial strike action, it could go on for a while, with no guarantee of success with the election just round the corner.

I feel depressed thinking about it, especially my talk with my Rep, seems there is a lot more to it than just the money, its the business future and thereby our jobs, the changes planned will be huge and unprecedented, the old timers will not cope with it, they will leave on VR, some are planning to do that, leaving the younger ones to deal with it, a job is better than the dole,if I am honest for what we do we do actually get better money than the private sector, talk about a rock and hard place.


I am in turmoil, previously I would have said a straight NO, once I know the details, now I am like a see saw, I am not sure which way to go, its going to be the same up and down the Country, going to read more and digest when the voting papers comes in, in the end its the Democratic process that will decide this, if we hadn't voted for the way forward, we would not be in the position we are in now, for the record I voted against P&M 2007.

I think you've summed the situation up very well, and many will be thinking that although they know it's a bad deal a 'no' vote is sadly most unlikely to achieve anything better.

Exactly what Royal Mail want. I was thinking along the exact same lines that a 'no' vote will not achieve anything however I am not going to take this agreement without a fight. And hopefully the CWU will show a bit more of a fight when they get a majority 'no' vote. It's the f**king least they can do for us!

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Made this into a sticky as different members keep starting a What if the Votes a No thread

[billypants]

A 'No' vote does not mean a strike.

It just means that nothing in this agreement is agreed.

that is absolutely true BUT if we vote no then we must be prepared to go back on strike if that's what's required of us, and how much support do you think we really have for that ?

If RM realise that we won't walk out again then our unions position to renegotiate a better deal is even weaker than it was to get this deal, so why on earth would RM improve their position ?

[Big Daz]

Why are so many people convinced that if we manage to vote out this deal, that we'll end up on Strike?
What's wrong with returning to the negotiating table, to try to get a deal which better represents what the rank and file want?

And if does not work, what should happen next?

Whats plan C ?

[Just_My_Opinion]

Why are so many people convinced that if we manage to vote out this deal, that we'll end up on Strike?
What's wrong with returning to the negotiating table, to try to get a deal which better represents what the rank and file want?

And if does not work, what should happen next?

Whats plan C ?

That's what Billy Hayes gets £97,647 a year for!!!!!

[MinisterofCucumber]

'Executive action' can be fought if there is a will from the CWU to back its members who go to Employment Tribunal.

[Straight4ward]

Minister of Cucumber wrote;

If RM break existing agreements our courts will punish them.

I’m not sure what part/parts of the new agreement would alter the terms & conditions of employment covered by the Standard Contract for Postpersons (OPG grade)?

Just a handful of quotes to give you a flavour (or a reminder) of the contract

Terms and Conditions -------- these terms and conditions may be amended from time to time - - - -

Job Title - - - - - duties including shift patterns, may be changed from time to time.

Place of Work - - - - The needs of RM require mobility. You may therefore be required to work at any other location - - - .

And I’ve saved the best (worst?) till last;

Changes to Contract of Employment/Terms and Conditions
Royal Mail reserves the right to change these terms and conditions given to you on reasonable notice, and in the case of matters fundamental and material, following any appropriate consultation with you and/or the recognised trade union that represents your grade - - - .

Well that’s me buggered then!

[POSTMAN]

Dave Ward has mentioned in one of the meetings that there will NOT be a strike if it's a no vote.

[chewi]

Dave Ward has mentioned in one of the meetings that there will NOT be a strike if it's a no vote.

Unless the tories get in! Or am I being cynical?

[Big Daz]

Why are so many people convinced that if we manage to vote out this deal, that we'll end up on Strike?
What's wrong with returning to the negotiating table, to try to get a deal which better represents what the rank and file want?

And if does not work, what should happen next?

Whats plan C ?

That's what Billy Hayes gets £97,647 a year for!!!!!

That's not his job its Dave Ward in his capacity as DGS(P) and the officers of the CWU.

[Just_My_Opinion]

Why are so many people convinced that if we manage to vote out this deal, that we'll end up on Strike?
What's wrong with returning to the negotiating table, to try to get a deal which better represents what the rank and file want?

And if does not work, what should happen next?

Whats plan C ?

That's what Billy Hayes gets £97,647 a year for!!!!!

That's not his job its Dave Ward in his capacity as DGS(P) and the officers of the CWU.

So then if it's Dave Ward's job why are you asking what's plan C?

[martinapsid]

hi ive been to meetings of late lots of talk saying no but when ask could you get the members out the answer has been not in the numbers we need in my unit only
about 25% will go out and most of them have second jobs to cover a strike also e a is not illegal if all stages have been carried out ive been there

[Big Daz]

Its a matter of what we the rank and file want to happen if further talks following a no vote dont produce any improvements.

Plan C is deciding what to do if further talks (plan B) following a no vote dont produce any improvements.

IA ballot or take whats on offer and make the best out of the situation?

Which option would you choose to be plan C?