PRIVATE CARS ON DELIVERY - ADR/ASR MEETINGS WITH DSMs

[POSTMAN]

I don't get something,i've read through the docs in this thread and it mentions now that moving the car along the delivery point is now covered,does that then mean that we can carry bags of mail in the boot,where as before it would only be the 1st bag?

[brothermagrew]

I don't get something,i've read through the docs in this thread and it mentions now that moving the car along the delivery point is now covered,does that then mean that we can carry bags of mail in the boot,where as before it would only be the 1st bag?

First of brother POSTMAN I will refer you to this link http://www.cwuscotlandno2branch.co.uk/m ... _cars.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And further contained in one of the paragraphs on Employee Obligations once Permission has been Granted (part of RM Private Cars on Delivery Procedure) is the following text:


Normal security of mail applies (i.e. any "supplementary pouches" mail left in a car whilst the employee is making the delivery, must be out of sight in the boot or if a hatchback/estate, under the parcel shelf of the car. If a hatchback/estate has no parcel shelf, then the car must be deemed unsuitable. The car must be fully locked and alarmed - where an alarm is fitted).

As you are aware, the original bond that Royal Mail issued to our members/employees allowed for only one pouch to be carried. It would appear that there has been another RM Policy shift, with regards to mail integrity this shift is potentially putting more mail at risk.

[POSTMAN]

I don't get something,i've read through the docs in this thread and it mentions now that moving the car along the delivery point is now covered,does that then mean that we can carry bags of mail in the boot,where as before it would only be the 1st bag?

First of brother POSTMAN I will refer you to this link http://www.cwuscotlandno2branch.co.uk/m ... _cars.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And further contained in one of the paragraphs on Employee Obligations once Permission has been Granted (part of RM Private Cars on Delivery Procedure) is the following text:


Normal security of mail applies (i.e. any "supplementary pouches" mail left in a car whilst the employee is making the delivery, must be out of sight in the boot or if a hatchback/estate, under the parcel shelf of the car. If a hatchback/estate has no parcel shelf, then the car must be deemed unsuitable. The car must be fully locked and alarmed - where an alarm is fitted).

As you are aware, the original bond that Royal Mail issued to our members/employees allowed for only one pouch to be carried. It would appear that there has been another RM Policy shift, with regards to mail integrity this shift is potentially putting more mail at risk.

Cheers BM.

[brothermagrew]

Should of course have added that the review date for the RM Private Cars on Delivery Procedure is due ever so shortly (9th September 2009).

[brothermagrew]

I don't get something,i've read through the docs in this thread and it mentions now that moving the car along the delivery point is now covered,does that then mean that we can carry bags of mail in the boot,where as before it would only be the 1st bag?

It would appear from this link that within the Anglia area the use of private motor vehicles being used for delivery purposes is tenfold.

http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/ang ... 1139777613" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I don't get something,i've read through the docs in this thread and it mentions now that moving the car along the delivery point is now covered,does that then mean that we can carry bags of mail in the boot,where as before it would only be the 1st bag?

It would appear from this link that within the Anglia area the use of private motor vehicles being used for delivery purposes is tenfold.

http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/ang ... 1139777613" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and that quote from Royal Mail is misleading to say the least. The suggestion is that they look at each request and turn some down - fat chance they never get applications to use cars, they just ask those that use cars to bring in their documents so they can be checked. Not quite the same thing.

[DGP1]

FFS Can they not understand what they're actually saying 'If I don't use my car then I'd have to wait on my bags and then I'd never get finished on time' that's for management to sort out

[dvbuk55]

FFS Can they not understand what they're actually saying 'If I don't use my car then I'd have to wait on my bags and then I'd never get finished on time' that's for management to sort out

Which is what they're paid for - what those muppets who use their cars don't realise is that petrol is a fiver a gallon and rising.

[eian687]

my van was taken off me last week for 1 day as one of the rural drivers knackered his van
had to do my delivery on foot..........DOM told me to leave any packets i knew i could not get rid of or oversized, leave my bit of lapsed duty and leave parcels and us my car if i wanted or he would drop bags to me as and when if i phoned the office,
did half on foot from the office then took the rest in my car so he did not know what time i finished............made over a hour

[WHITEANT]

A WHOLE HOUR

[eian687]

yep was worth it NOT.............wont do again

[brothermagrew]

Has anyone else seen this, was put on Facebook today


Hi everyone,
I have received a message from Bob Gibson National Officer of the CWU informing me that a Postman in Woodford Green was using his car on delivery on Saturday morning. He was pulled up by the Police and they have impounded his car and he has been charged for not having the correct insurance. The Postman was informed by the Police that the Royal Mail bond was not worth the paper it was written on. Can you please forward this message to as many CWU members as possible.
Cheers

No. 848/09 Ref V1 Date: 28 September 2009

To: All Branches

Dear Colleagues
Use of Private Cars on Delivery by Agency and Casual Workers:
Following a number of enquiries and complaints from Area Representatives and further to LTB No 820/09 the following
letter has been sent to Royal Mail Letters Board Members and senior managers.

Yours Sincerely


Dave Joyce Bob Gibson
National Health Safety & Environment Officer Assistant Secretary

Our Ref: V1/DJ/kg
24 September

Norman Smith
RML Safety Director

Dear Norman

Use of Private Cars on Delivery by Agency and Casual Workers

Many thanks for your positive reply on the use of private cars on delivery, confirming the business’s intention to cease this practice in the future.

I hope and trust this occurs sooner rather than later.

You may not have heard the news but further to the case of the Woodford Green Postman, another near identical incident has occurred in Runcorn in Cheshire where a Postman was stopped by Police whilst using their private car on delivery. The Police found his RM and private motor insurance cover was not valid and it was also found that his car was without a current MOT which proves Managers are not undertaking safety checks.

The Runcorn Postman was heavily fined and had 6 points put on his driving licence as did the Woodford Green postman. Turning now to another aspect of the plague of private cars on delivery which is the purpose of this communication.

CWU HQ is now receiving reports of agency staff, Royal Mail casuals and area reserve workers, who the business are now employing in large numbers and are apparently using uncontrolled and unchecked private cars on delivery. These people are using private cars to deliver the mail, probably without insurance, no safety checks or driver legal compliance checks. It seems fairly obvious that these drivers obviously do not have business use commercial insurance cover and in all probability only have social, domestic and pleasure motor insurance if they have anything at all. We have now had 2 postman, one recently in Woodford Green and one in Runcorn stopped by the Police and found to have no valid insurance. Both have had their cars impounded, received large fines and 6 points added to their driving licence.

Sometime ago an agency worker in Luton was stopped by the Police whilst delivering mail in his private car and was found to have no licence, no insurance and no MOT. The Manager had obviously not run any safety or legal compliance checks. In the past we have had members of the public killed by private cars on delivery, we have had staff imprisoned as a result of accidents whilst using private cars on delivery and we have had postal workers killed whilst using their private cars on delivery. The whole question on adequate insurance cover, legal compliance for these activities and adequate occupation road risk controls has been called into question time an time again.

I would like to know what action Royal Mail proposes to take to rectify this problem.

Yours sincerely,
Dave Joyce
National Health, Safety & Environment Officer

Cc
Mark Higson Managing Director
Michael Stockdale Delivery Director
Ian Stockdale Head of Corporate Social Responsibility
Keith Scott Royal Mail Group Head of Safety
Rob Jenson Operations Director
Bob Gibson Ass/Sec.

[aldothelad]

so your saying i must be transported back to D.O after delivery or use public transport and that must be figured into my delivery span?

Yes

trueblue as far as i know yer talkin nonsense,because postmen are now job an finish....and finish means on the street last letter posted,please clarify.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

so your saying i must be transported back to D.O after delivery or use public transport and that must be figured into my delivery span?

Yes

trueblue as far as i know yer talkin nonsense,because postmen are now job an finish....and finish means on the street last letter posted,please clarify.

My Unit is not job and finish they pay us to the end of our shift and anything they want me to do during the hours they pay me is OK as long as its reasonable. BTW I have never absorbed or lapsed

I think to be honest by answer was not deep enough I was trying to answer the question quickly and got it wrong. Your conveyance or return from your duty is not included in your delivery span but it IS included in your Duty span. They are 2 different things.

Delivery span is 1st letter to last letter but conveyance to and from your walk should be included in your duty span. Hope thats cleared it up.

[dvbuk55]

so your saying i must be transported back to D.O after delivery or use public transport and that must be figured into my delivery span?

Yes

trueblue as far as i know yer talkin nonsense,because postmen are now job an finish....and finish means on the street last letter posted,please clarify.

My Unit is not job and finish they pay us to the end of our shift and anything they want me to do during the hours they pay me is OK as long as its reasonable. BTW I have never absorbed or lapsed

I think to be honest by answer was not deep enough I was trying to answer the question quickly and got it wrong. Your conveyance or return from your duty is not included in your delivery span but it IS included in your Duty span. They are 2 different things.

Delivery span is 1st letter to last letter but conveyance to and from your walk should be included in your duty span. Hope thats cleared it up.

Hey - have you been to the pub