The New Delivery Supplement Explained

[shepherdess]

is it true that processing get the £20 payment and if so why they dont handle d2d

[belle smith]

OK!...Enough! I think some people are trying to make head or tail from this agreement.It is worth the debate. Just don't get personal.It is obvious that some people on this forum are high ranking officials/area reps/Divisional.They may of seen what we do not. These negotiations were slightly different then before.In that it was all about what the business actually has in it's accounts.Everything has been agreed from that.
It appears that this "service" is knackered financially.Insolvent.Bankrupt. Whatever. How do we protect those in it,those who have started,and those that are part time.We also have to protect the service.
Not to mention those that want a decent pension at the end of their careers.Remember if we don't sort the pension then the 65's will suffer in the future.We NEED to bring that age back to the 60 year olds and below.

There is absolutly no one preposing bringing the retierment age backdown!!!

Longer Saturdays? Minimum would be every other Saturday for me...let's wait for the options,about to be released.

Parameters for Gep-route/Pegasus? I do know that they are not the parameters they are using now.Also about to be released.

Delivery Spans? Could have a few 1 hour ones,(the rep sorting the geo route by the way),with 5-6 hours indoor work.One option there.

Even when these things are realeased they are not, and never will be part of this agreement! I don't see there being any one hour spans , and if we are talking about for a choosen few, whilst everyone else does 4.5 hrs or 5hrs, i don't want them.

If the deal is crap because we want to finish early,no meal relief,and carry on using our cars...forget it.

happy to forget that because i don't do it.

[belle smith]

is it true that processing get the £20 payment and if so why they dont handle d2d

Don't think so?

[Razzamadazz]

Democracy?

I'm basing my opinions on Facts, Figures, Reality and Understanding.

and

Your's is a blinkered view, you've convinced yourself you're right and everyone elses views are wrong.

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Take off your blinkers

and

None so blind as them that cannot see

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you choose not to see the truth.

and

trying to help you see more clearly.

I'll actually leave YOU with YOUR best quote, I think it's quite apt to you actually Raz

Frightened of people seeing an alternative view?

Well cut and pasted, you might think I'm arrogant and well ........ you might be right, but arrogance doesn't make me wrong it just means I have a different view.

BTW, are you sure you have read all my posts correctly and quoted me correctly ......... you have a habit of reading things wrong and misquoting people.

[Pat Ostman]

you have a habit of reading things wrong and misquoting people.

Prove that!

I can show you that your actually talking about yourself Raz You know like when you quoted a bullet point on your own post and proceeded to argue against it, claiming I said it.

[belle smith]

But you don't actually work razz - answering the phone and talking is not exactly work - who would want to jeopardise a job like that?

YOU'VE JUST HIT ROCK BOTTOM

Think you should retract that dubuk55, i've had a shot at being unit rep before ...only breifly mind and it's as stressful as hell. It's like explaining to your DOM that your cutting off......for the full 8 hour day.

[drb]

"happy to forget that because i don't do it."

Thats excellent because at the moment we are a minority

[Razzamadazz]

you have a habit of reading things wrong and misquoting people.

Prove that!

I can show you that your actually talking about yourself Raz You know like when you quoted a bullet point on your own post and proceeded to argue against it, claiming I said it.

I can, but I'm not going to, this is getting silly and personal.

[andy2007]

And that's why you will lose the vote Raz. You see it's pure lies from yourself that do your cause so much harm.

I will lose the vote? It's not my vote, it's called democracy .You might see it as a lie because you choose not to see the truth. Your's is a blinkered view, you've convinced yourself you're right and everyone elses views are wrong. Take off your blinkers and see what's happening around you, people losing their jobs left right and centre, people taking pay cuts just to keep a job. We've got a deal that secures jobs, allows people who want to leave the job with a payment, a pay increase and a supplement paid 52 weeks of the year whether you're at work or not. Me, I'll be voting yes because what is on the table is better than nothing at all.

What makes you think it secures jobs?
Have you read it properly?
Mail Centre and RDC closures are part of the deal. And of course there are the people who'll be pushed out, because they can't do the work within the required time (already been happening for a while now), because of unrealistic work rates on Deliveries. Yeh, we'll have VERY secure jobs!

[Pat Ostman]

I also forgot to add that I actually agree with some of what you posted in this thread but will always bring up someone trying to fudge and massage figures to try and make something look better than it is in reality. You should really drop the argument for pro-rata payments for the Delivery Supplement as your sums simply do not tell the full story between P/T and F/T workers.

you have a habit of reading things wrong and misquoting people.

Prove that!

I can show you that your actually talking about yourself Raz You know like when you quoted a bullet point on your own post and proceeded to argue against it, claiming I said it.

I can, but I'm not going to, this is getting silly and personal.

Cop out!

[Big Daz]

shepherdess wrote:
is it true that processing get the £20 payment and if so why they dont handle d2d


The following is what you get

Mail Centres, Collection Hubs and MDECs

A new (non pensionable) supplement to basic pay to all OPGs/OSGs in Mail Centres, OPGs/OSGs in Collection Hubs (who are not eligible to receive the Delivery Pay supplement) and Royal Mail CWU grades in MDECs pro rata for part-time employees. The supplement will increase in value as agreed in basic pay rises. It will flow through in 2011 and 2012. It will be paid 52 weeks a year at the rate of £8.00 per week and applies to new entrants. It replaces the first £8.00 of any PBS/ICS residual bonus payment in the Unit. In Units where the PBS/ICS payment is greater than £8.00, the amount over £8.00 will still be paid to existing recipients. Where the existing PBS/ICS payment is less than £8.00, the shortfall is funded on an ongoing basis by using the pool of money created by the former ESOS productivity scheme. The employees eligible for this pay supplement will also receive a one-off non-pensionable lump sum payment of £75 (pro rata for part-time employees) along with the first payment of the new supplement.
The above approach uses up the pool of money created by the former ESOS productivity scheme. Hence the ESOS scheme will cease to exist and will not accrue any future money.

[andy2007]

PLEASE will everyone refrain from personal attacks. If you want to debate the issues, then please do. That's what we're here for. But if the personal attacks continue, we'll be forced to start issuing warnings.

[fishtank]

But you don't actually work razz - answering the phone and talking is not exactly work - who would want to jeopardise a job like that?

YOU'VE JUST HIT ROCK BOTTOM

Think you should retract that dubuk55, i've had a shot at being unit rep before ...only breifly mind and it's as stressful as hell. It's like explaining to your DOM that your cutting off......for the full 8 hour day.

There is a world of difference between balancing a 40hr a week job AND a unit rep position....... and that of a full-release area rep.
And to be fair there are good hard working area reps and there are piss poor area reps.

[Pat Ostman]

PLEASE will everyone refrain from personal attacks. If you want to debate the issues, then please do. That's what we're here for. But if the personal attacks continue, we'll be forced to start issuing warnings.

What's the point in debating if the only response you get back is that your wrong?

[belle smith]

And that's why you will lose the vote Raz. You see it's pure lies from yourself that do your cause so much harm.

I will lose the vote? It's not my vote, it's called democracy .You might see it as a lie because you choose not to see the truth. Your's is a blinkered view, you've convinced yourself you're right and everyone elses views are wrong. Take off your blinkers and see what's happening around you, people losing their jobs left right and centre, people taking pay cuts just to keep a job. We've got a deal that secures jobs, allows people who want to leave the job with a payment, a pay increase and a supplement paid 52 weeks of the year whether you're at work or not. Me, I'll be voting yes because what is on the table is better than nothing at all.

What makes you think it secures jobs?
Have you read it properly?
Mail Centre and RDC closures are part of the deal. And of course there are the people who'll be pushed out, because they can't do the work within the required time (already been happening for a while now), because of unrealistic work rates on Deliveries. Yeh, we'll have VERY secure jobs!

Securing jobs, is ment i think in a qualified way. ie. We wont lose as many as we otherwise would have done, i sure thats not the answer you want sorry.