PLEASE ANSWER THIS>>>>>>>>

[proper postie]

talking to my rep today, he thinks that when weight is off the shoulder, and we are using trolleys, walks will have to be shorter, as the trolley slows you down, as anyone who has ever used one will know.

Yes I use one, and yes they add at least half a hour on your walk. Pushing up hills, locking up and chaining to lamp post all take time. more weight means heavier trolleys. and thay brake very easily.

Are you meaning they fall apart easily,or just good hydraulics?

[midvillain]

they are actually a pain in the arris, and i imagine they probably do break easily thru constant use, but if it means the delivery spans are going to be designed with them in mind, i'll be happy with that.

[I am number six]

No I shall not be voting YES for £400, I shall be voting Yes for an improved and sustainable package. You all wine like f**k on here about not being able to do your deliveries on time so none of you should even be doing doors to doors in the first place because if you worked your f***ing hours and took your breaks, and weighed your bags and used the vans and correct safe drops you'd never have been paid for before so £20.60 would be a f***ing payrise and the door to doors would be integrated into you working day which would likey mean you'd be doing even less delivering and your line manager will not have a leg to stand on when you have to cut off, because this deal makes them very, very important!

I agree with MTS a lot of this you have brought on yourself, it is a good deal considering the econmic climate people should be gratefull for what they have
this is a well paid industry,

in fact better paid than skilled employment and better working conditions yet people still winge and moan like they are being paid min wage
don't bite the hand that feeds you

vote yes you will all be better off in the long run

Such a confusing post if I may be so bold. On one hand it says we have brought this on ourselves which seems to suggest that the deal is bad yet in the last line you recommend voting for the deal as we would be better off in the long run. Not sure if you are saying we are being punished because we are militants, or congratulating us for getting such a good deal.

Don't have anything to do with RM or the CWU communications do you.

was just agreeing with MTS regarding his post, hovever is:

1:it is a good deal considering the economic climate people should be gratefull for what they have
this is a well paid industry,

2: in fact better paid than skilled employment and better working conditions yet people still winge and moan like they are being paid min wage

Confusing???

[proper postie]

No I shall not be voting YES for £400, I shall be voting Yes for an improved and sustainable package. You all wine like f**k on here about not being able to do your deliveries on time so none of you should even be doing doors to doors in the first place because if you worked your f***ing hours and took your breaks, and weighed your bags and used the vans and correct safe drops you'd never have been paid for before so £20.60 would be a f***ing payrise and the door to doors would be integrated into you working day which would likey mean you'd be doing even less delivering and your line manager will not have a leg to stand on when you have to cut off, because this deal makes them very, very important!

I agree with MTS a lot of this you have brought on yourself, it is a good deal considering the econmic climate people should be gratefull for what they have
this is a well paid industry,

in fact better paid than skilled employment and better working conditions yet people still winge and moan like they are being paid min wage
don't bite the hand that feeds you

vote yes you will all be better off in the long run

Such a confusing post if I may be so bold. On one hand it says we have brought this on ourselves which seems to suggest that the deal is bad yet in the last line you recommend voting for the deal as we would be better off in the long run. Not sure if you are saying we are being punished because we are militants, or congratulating us for getting such a good deal.

Don't have anything to do with RM or the CWU communications do you.

was just agreeing with MTS regarding his post, hovever is:

1:it is a good deal considering the economic climate people should be gratefull for what they have
this is a well paid industry,

2: in fact better paid than skilled employment and better working conditions yet people still winge and moan like they are being paid min wage

Confusing???

Sorry but that is horse s**t.Economic climate! If the world is in such a poor financial state why is your linemanager pocketing a 2 grand bonus for capping your ot? or why are banks handing out record bonuses?

Croppy lie down indeed.

Just because I have a job I should tug my forelock and be thankful for it? I've worked as a builders labourer before,which is an extremely physically demanding job,but it's not half as much graft as I do now as an "overpaid underworked" postman.

[I am number six]

No I shall not be voting YES for £400, I shall be voting Yes for an improved and sustainable package. You all wine like f**k on here about not being able to do your deliveries on time so none of you should even be doing doors to doors in the first place because if you worked your f***ing hours and took your breaks, and weighed your bags and used the vans and correct safe drops you'd never have been paid for before so £20.60 would be a f***ing payrise and the door to doors would be integrated into you working day which would likey mean you'd be doing even less delivering and your line manager will not have a leg to stand on when you have to cut off, because this deal makes them very, very important!

I agree with MTS a lot of this you have brought on yourself, it is a good deal considering the econmic climate people should be gratefull for what they have
this is a well paid industry,

in fact better paid than skilled employment and better working conditions yet people still winge and moan like they are being paid min wage
don't bite the hand that feeds you

vote yes you will all be better off in the long run

Such a confusing post if I may be so bold. On one hand it says we have brought this on ourselves which seems to suggest that the deal is bad yet in the last line you recommend voting for the deal as we would be better off in the long run. Not sure if you are saying we are being punished because we are militants, or congratulating us for getting such a good deal.

Don't have anything to do with RM or the CWU communications do you.

was just agreeing with MTS regarding his post, hovever is:

1:it is a good deal considering the economic climate people should be gratefull for what they have
this is a well paid industry,

2: in fact better paid than skilled employment and better working conditions yet people still winge and moan like they are being paid min wage

Confusing???

Sorry but that is horse s**t.Economic climate! If the world is in such a poor financial state why is your linemanager pocketing a 2 grand bonus for capping your ot? or why are banks handing out record bonuses?

Croppy lie down indeed.

Just because I have a job I should tug my forelock and be thankful for it? I've worked as a builders labourer before,which is an extremely physically demanding job,but it's not half as much graft as I do now as an "overpaid underworked" postman.

was you making the tea as a builders labour

[feduppostie]

now that wasn't very nice was it iamnumbersix

no need for insults

you may think this is a great deal and you are entitled to your views

however many do not share your views and like to put their points across

this job may be tagged as unskilled but i disagree - you only have to look at the high turnover of staff to see that

you have to be a certain kind of person to be a postie it isn't for everyone

to put up with the early starts, the weather etc

yes we could all go get another job if we aren't happy but guess what most of us still (!) love our jobs, our customers and our company

we are committed that's why we just don't leave

all we want is a deal that gives us something for our efforts, if we are going to be expected to work harder we want to be rewarded

this deal just gives us the money we would have received for previous efforts wrapped up in a big red bow and labelled as a new pay deal - with a nice pay cut thrown in if you happen to delver d2d

answer me this if rm expect to expand the d2d ( as the introduction of the no cap would suggest) why don't they filter this extra money down to the workforce???

If there is no more money available for a better offer ( as we are repeatedly told) then I guess most of us would rather vote no and stay as we are

it's better than the alternative

[proper postie]

No I shall not be voting YES for £400, I shall be voting Yes for an improved and sustainable package. You all wine like f**k on here about not being able to do your deliveries on time so none of you should even be doing doors to doors in the first place because if you worked your f***ing hours and took your breaks, and weighed your bags and used the vans and correct safe drops you'd never have been paid for before so £20.60 would be a f***ing payrise and the door to doors would be integrated into you working day which would likey mean you'd be doing even less delivering and your line manager will not have a leg to stand on when you have to cut off, because this deal makes them very, very important!

I agree with MTS a lot of this you have brought on yourself, it is a good deal considering the econmic climate people should be gratefull for what they have
this is a well paid industry,

in fact better paid than skilled employment and better working conditions yet people still winge and moan like they are being paid min wage
don't bite the hand that feeds you

vote yes you will all be better off in the long run[/quote]

Such a confusing post if I may be so bold. On one hand it says we have brought this on ourselves which seems to suggest that the deal is bad yet in the last line you recommend voting for the deal as we would be better off in the long run. Not sure if you are saying we are being punished because we are militants, or congratulating us for getting such a good deal.

Don't have anything to do with RM or the CWU communications do you. [/quote]


was just agreeing with MTS regarding his post, hovever is:

1:it is a good deal considering the economic climate people should be gratefull for what they have
this is a well paid industry,

2: in fact better paid than skilled employment and better working conditions yet people still winge and moan like they are being paid min wage

Confusing??? [/quote]
Sorry but that is horse s**t.Economic climate! If the world is in such a poor financial state why is your linemanager pocketing a 2 grand bonus for capping your ot? or why are banks handing out record bonuses?

Croppy lie down indeed.

Just because I have a job I should tug my forelock and be thankful for it? I've worked as a builders labourer before,which is an extremely physically demanding job,but it's not half as much graft as I do now as an "overpaid underworked" postman.[/quote]

was you making the tea as a builders labour [/quote]
I was making the tea yes

[I am number six]

now that wasn't very nice was it iamnumbersix

no need for insults

none intended

you may think this is a great deal and you are entitled to your views

fair enough

however many do not share your views and like to put their points across

Ithink you will find a lot of people will enjoy the lump sums

this job may be tagged as unskilled but i disagree - you only have to look at the high turnover of staff to see that

this job may not suit some people

you have to be a certain kind of person to be a postie it isn't for everyone

I agree

to put up with the early starts, the weather etc

I agree

yes we could all go get another job if we aren't happy but guess what most of us still (!) love our jobs, our customers and our company

not many jobs out there

we are committed that's why we just don't leave

very hard to find this rate of pay for what you have to do may be thats why you don't leave

all we want is a deal that gives us something for our efforts, if we are going to be expected to work harder we want to be rewarded

you will, it's in the deal

this deal just gives us the money we would have received for previous efforts wrapped up in a big red bow and labelled as a new pay deal - with a nice pay cut thrown in if you happen to delver d2d

and nice lump sums

answer me this if rm expect to expand the d2d ( as the introduction of the no cap would suggest) why don't they filter this extra money down to the workforce???


this will keep you in employment

If there is no more money available for a better offer ( as we are repeatedly told) then I guess most of us would rather vote no and stay as we are

it's better than the alternative

What being out of work?

[feduppostie]

ok the lump sums we will receive we would have got anyway under colleagueshares so that point is null and void

personally I will not be rewarded under this deal I will lose money however my biggest bugbear is that p/t will be expected to do the same work as me for less pay
it simply is not fair - I was an a/g for many years and simply cannot stand by while my p/t colleagues lose money like this

I agree there are not many jobs out there but there are some if you are willing to do anything!

so if removing the d2d cap will keep me in a job why am I taking a pay cut to achieve this? this is not rewarding me for my extra efforts - lets face it d2d are a pain in the arse - but they do generate income I accept that all I am asking is that if that income will rise with the cap removed then my income rises too ( atm I receive around £25 for d2d and £12.40ish for early start therefore £20.60 s a pay drop for me let alone any poor p/t who has to cover my walk when I am off)

and as for me being out of work as the alternative - please

I'm educated I could probably walk out tomorrow and not have any worries - I chose this job as it fitted around my family's vision for our future I get to pick my kids up everyday and spend time with them - time that is precious!

After 12 years I still love my job I just hate the politics that seem to have infested it

I refuse to be told I have to accept a deal because there is no alternative

there is always an alternative

[NewPostieUK]

this is a well paid industry

You have got to be kidding me.

Two years ago I was doing basic factory work. Little bit of training, no qualifications needed, and getting £20,000 a year. That's £10 an hour plus shift allowance.

How many pay rises (or will it just be more wage cuts?) until a postman is on £10 an hour?

Decent working postman, honest and sensible, who are well worth £10 an hour, will continue to leave for proper jobs, leaving a hopeless bunch of minimum wagers who couldn't care less about customers, mail integrity or attendance and punctuality. People staying 15, 10 or even just 5 years in the job will be unheard of.

[mickthesplit]

£20k is that supposed to be good? I haven't earnt less than £24k for the last 3 years with no docket at all. So yes we are fairly well paid I should think. And as for the person a couple of post's above, what world are you living in? You state you are educated? You really believe you could just find a job just like that? You are competing with a lot of other educated people for even a factory job now son! Trust me it will not be as easy as you assume.

The idea of removing cap and itemised pay for d2d is so Royal Mail can then become competitive with all competition, it can in theory offer better deals to customers and pick up more contracts, keeping more of us in full time jobs. We've had it good for so long, some of you need to take a look at the bigger picture, it's NOT a skilled job, some are just better at it and take more pride in the service they provide than others.

[mucker]

Can anyone explain to me why it is that anyone would contemplate voting Yes?
It's a simple question. If you vote No, it'll only mean the reps will need to go back and get a hopefully better deal.

head brick wall springs to mind

[feduppostie]

£20k is that supposed to be good? I haven't earnt less than £24k for the last 3 years with no docket at all. So yes we are fairly well paid I should think. And as for the person a couple of post's above, what world are you living in? You state you are educated? You really believe you could just find a job just like that? You are competing with a lot of other educated people for even a factory job now son! Trust me it will not be as easy as you assume.

The idea of removing cap and itemised pay for d2d is so Royal Mail can then become competitive with all competition, it can in theory offer better deals to customers and pick up more contracts, keeping more of us in full time jobs. We've had it good for so long, some of you need to take a look at the bigger picture, it's NOT a skilled job, some are just better at it and take more pride in the service they provide than others.

so you accept that we should deliver more d2d for less money? RM will be making money out of these why should we - the people delivering them - not benefit from that? and the main sticking point is still this - it is wrong to expect a p/t person to earn less than a f/t person for doing the same work ( by this I mean pro rata supplements)

and as for earning 24k without overtime? i earnt 19k with d2d and esa and plenty of overtime so I think I can safely say your approach to this subject is coming from a vastly different viewpoint to mine

anyway the amount of money is not as important as the principle that we will be losing money under this deal

as for the finding a job lets just say we will agree to differ - you have no way of knowing what my qualifications are or which area they are in and I'm not about to enlighten you

like I said this job was a lifestyle choice one I love

but it doesn't mean I would accept a deal that makes me worse off in both pay and 'conditions' - ones that have not been made clear before I vote

[TrueBlueTerrier]

£20k is that supposed to be good? I haven't earnt less than £24k for the last 3 years with no docket at all. So yes we are fairly well paid I should think. And as for the person a couple of post's above, what world are you living in? You state you are educated? You really believe you could just find a job just like that? You are competing with a lot of other educated people for even a factory job now son! Trust me it will not be as easy as you assume.

The idea of removing cap and itemised pay for d2d is so Royal Mail can then become competitive with all competition, it can in theory offer better deals to customers and pick up more contracts, keeping more of us in full time jobs. We've had it good for so long, some of you need to take a look at the bigger picture, it's NOT a skilled job, some are just better at it and take more pride in the service they provide than others.

so you accept that we should deliver more d2d for less money? RM will be making money out of these why should we - the people delivering them - not benefit from that? and the main sticking point is still this - it is wrong to expect a p/t person to earn less than a f/t person for doing the same work ( by this I mean pro rata supplements)

and as for earning 24k without overtime? i earnt 19k with d2d and esa and plenty of overtime so I think I can safely say your approach to this subject is coming from a vastly different viewpoint to mine

anyway the amount of money is not as important as the principle that we will be losing money under this deal

as for the finding a job lets just say we will agree to differ - you have no way of knowing what my qualifications are or which area they are in and I'm not about to enlighten you

like I said this job was a lifestyle choice one I love

but it doesn't mean I would accept a deal that makes me worse off in both pay and 'conditions' - ones that have not been made clear before I vote

24K gross without overtime - Thats £461 before tax per week that's even higher than inner London and would have to include 3 D2Ds per week every week even on holidays, sickness and Xmas Block.

[NewPostieUK]

£20k is that supposed to be good? I haven't earnt less than £24k for the last 3 years with no docket at all.

No wonder you think postmen are well paid.

Where I come from, the pay is £8-odd an hour.