Hi Sisters and Brothers!

[LJR]

I work in delivery but i was wondering what you guys stood to gain from the closure of upto 50% MC and RDCs closures and the cut in drivers? i know you get the 22 odd quid pro rata from savings made from D2Ds ect from deliveries plus another three years of pay cuts but if you are going to lose that many jobs and sites in savings in your section i would like to know what we are all going to get from YOUR savings! Anyone have an idea what kind of CASH RM will save and when we get our fifty/fifty shair across the board? Because we are talking serious money saved not the chicken feed of D2Ds ect from deliveries.

[Steviea34]

I work in delivery but i was wondering what you guys stood to gain from the closure of upto 50% MC and RDCs closures and the cut in drivers? i know you get the 22 odd quid pro rata from savings made from D2Ds ect from deliveries plus another three years of pay cuts but if you are going to lose that many jobs and sites in savings in your section i would like to know what we are all going to get from YOUR savings! Anyone have an idea what kind of CASH RM will save and when we get our fifty/fifty shair across the board? Because we are talking serious money saved not the chicken feed of D2Ds ect from deliveries.

Believe MC employees do not get the £20.60 but get an £8 rise instead

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I work in delivery but i was wondering what you guys stood to gain from the closure of upto 50% MC and RDCs closures and the cut in drivers? i know you get the 22 odd quid pro rata from savings made from D2Ds ect from deliveries plus another three years of pay cuts but if you are going to lose that many jobs and sites in savings in your section i would like to know what we are all going to get from YOUR savings! Anyone have an idea what kind of CASH RM will save and when we get our fifty/fifty shair across the board? Because we are talking serious money saved not the chicken feed of D2Ds ect from deliveries.

Believe MC employees do not get the £20.60 but get an £8 rise instead

Not strictly an £8 rise but thats what it equates to along with a £75 bung as well.

The actual wording on Page 61 is

Mail Centres, Collection Hubs and MDECs
A new (non pensionable) supplement to basic pay to all OPGs/OSGs in Mail Centres, OPGs/OSGs in Collection Hubs (who are not eligible to receive the Delivery Pay supplement) and Royal Mail CWU grades in MDECs pro rata for part-time employees. The supplement will increase in value as agreed in basic pay rises. It will flow through in 2011 and 2012. It will be paid 52 weeks a year at the rate of £8.00 per week and applies to new entrants. It replaces the first £8.00 of any PBS/ICS residual bonus payment in the Unit. In Units where the PBS/ICS payment is greater than £8.00, the amount over £8.00 will still be paid to existing recipients. Where the existing PBS/ICS payment is less than £8.00, the shortfall is funded on an ongoing basis by using the pool of money created by the former ESOS productivity scheme. The employees eligible for this pay supplement will also receive a one-off non-pensionable lump sum payment of £75 (pro rata for part-time employees) along with the first payment of the new supplement.
The above approach uses up the pool of money created by the former ESOS productivity scheme. Hence the ESOS scheme will cease to exist and will not accrue any future money.

[baldrick]

Sorry to have to keep repeating this, but it's not a £8 increase.
It's a new (non-pensionable) supplement which replaces the first £8 of existing PBS/ICS supplement.
So it would only be an increase in any MC which has a PBS/ICS supplement of less than £8.
I don't know how many MCs that would apply to, but my guess would be not many.

[LJR]

Sorry to have to keep repeating this, but it's not a £8 increase.
It's a new (non-pensionable) supplement which replaces the first £8 of existing PBS/ICS supplement.
So it would only be an increase in any MC which has a PBS/ICS supplement of less than £8.
I don't know how many MCs that would apply to, but my guess would be not many.

Ooops sorry i thought the CWU HQ would at least have the decency to give you guys a few quid for the yes vote they know they will get from you guys to do over deliveries and i was wrong! The savings HQ and RM /Government make from you lot will make RM RIPE for the picking and we get sweet FA from it! Still as employees we may get a few cr*p shairs from your jobs terms and conditions that will be bought by 8 quid a week? Scuse the swearing but are you lot CHEAP lol? 8 quid a week to cut your jobs in half almost! ! Wheres my money!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hubbahubba]

Sorry to have to keep repeating this, but it's not a £8 increase.
It's a new (non-pensionable) supplement which replaces the first £8 of existing PBS/ICS supplement.
So it would only be an increase in any MC which has a PBS/ICS supplement of less than £8.
I don't know how many MCs that would apply to, but my guess would be not many.

Ooops sorry i thought the CWU HQ would at least have the decency to give you guys a few quid for the yes vote they know they will get from you guys to do over deliveries and i was wrong! The savings HQ and RM /Government make from you lot will make RM RIPE for the picking and we get sweet FA from it! Still as employees we may get a few cr*p shairs from your jobs terms and conditions that will be bought by 8 quid a week? Scuse the swearing but are you lot CHEAP lol? 8 quid a week to cut your jobs in half almost! ! Wheres my money!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what are you on about?You assuming all MC staff are going to vote yes with a 50/50 chance of losing their jobs?Get real,you numpty,if this goes thru WE ARE ALL SCREWED!Why are you trying to cause a split between delivery and MC staff?We are ALL RM staff,and we are ALL in the same union?! i smell management..............anyone else?

[End of the road]

Sorry to have to keep repeating this, but it's not a £8 increase.
It's a new (non-pensionable) supplement which replaces the first £8 of existing PBS/ICS supplement.
So it would only be an increase in any MC which has a PBS/ICS supplement of less than £8.
I don't know how many MCs that would apply to, but my guess would be not many.

Ooops sorry i thought the CWU HQ would at least have the decency to give you guys a few quid for the yes vote they know they will get from you guys to do over deliveries and i was wrong! The savings HQ and RM /Government make from you lot will make RM RIPE for the picking and we get sweet FA from it! Still as employees we may get a few cr*p shairs from your jobs terms and conditions that will be bought by 8 quid a week? Scuse the swearing but are you lot CHEAP lol? 8 quid a week to cut your jobs in half almost! ! Wheres my money!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what are you on about?You assuming all MC staff are going to vote yes with a 50/50 chance of losing their jobs?Get real,you numpty,if this goes thru WE ARE ALL SCREWED!Why are you trying to cause a split between delivery and MC staff?We are ALL RM staff,and we are ALL in the same union?! i smell management..............anyone else?

Too true comrade

I do not think many MC staff will vote for massive MC closures, I for one am not going to vote to make other MC staff redundant .

Remember MC are voting blind on this one delivery can see how they are being shafted.

[blue1873]

i work in mc and this "deal"looks to me as though RM have extracted urine yet again or as we say in my neck of the woods "ripped the p..h"out of us again. here was silly me thinking we actually had someone negotiating on"our" behalf . VOTE NO! if you tolerate this then your "AFF YER HEID".

[LJR]

Sorry that didn’t come out as i meant it to as I wrote it badly, what I should have said is what happens to any savings made in deliveries we are hearing nothing of closures for MCs and RDCs and very little on RMC and yet you guys will pay the biggest price of all and alls you get is 8 quid? I dont get it. there should be near riots about this crap deal from MCs but there is not.

[baldrick]

As I keep saying, we will not be getting even £8 in most MCs.
And yes we will be paying a heavy cost in the next 2-3 years in MC closures.
But the CWU doesn't think we will be able to stop MC closures, and are only trying to negotiate
the way in which surplus staff are dealt with.
While I would like to be able to prevent closures, the reality is that no workplace (at least in the UK)
has been able to prevent closure when the employer has decided to do that - apart from Upper Clyde
Shipbuilders in 1971-72, which was eventually closed too.

[Dionysus]

With regards to the £8 a week that equates to a rise of £1.45 a week where I work so nothing to really get excited about but the huge uncertainity of which mail centres will be shut or changed to inward or outward operation only is enough for me to vote no! but unfortunatley that vast majority of people whom I have spoken to over the last couple of days seem only intrested in one thing and yes you guessed it the ££££££££££. But once I explain to them that the £400 and two lots of £536 are colleague shares money and not new money they then decide "oh well if that's the case then i'm not voting yes for this crap", strange how people think!
Oh by the way I am a rep and I do work in a MC but I did work in deliveries for 15 years.

[LJR]

So how does the closures work? do they say move a few more machines or some new ones from One MC to another and some of the workers and then just shut one of them? Are MCs so underworked that within a few years they will be able to handle the workload of another? Are there machines lying around redundant in each MC? Does DSA bypass almost all the process of MCs? Loads of questions so sorry about that but deliveries seem to getting busier excepting that we have less delivery people so carry more (more than twice as much as say five years ago and we have not lost no way near 50% people i would say 15% - 20% although not sure of the figure.) much of this extra is DSA and A4s with an increase in packets as well and whilst my bags have more DSA than ever i assumed that MCs still had to fully process it.
Had no idea you didnt even get the 20 odd quid so what is in it for any MC RDC and distribution worker other than the money we were all going to get through CS?

[machineman]

So how does the closures work? do they say move a few more machines or some new ones from One MC to another and some of the workers and then just shut one of them? Are MCs so underworked that within a few years they will be able to handle the workload of another? Are there machines lying around redundant in each MC? Does DSA bypass almost all the process of MCs? Loads of questions so sorry about that but deliveries seem to getting busier excepting that we have less delivery people so carry more (more than twice as much as say five years ago and we have not lost no way near 50% people i would say 15% - 20% although not sure of the figure.) much of this extra is DSA and A4s with an increase in packets as well and whilst my bags have more DSA than ever i assumed that MCs still had to fully process it.
Had no idea you didnt even get the 20 odd quid so what is in it for any MC RDC and distribution worker other than the money we were all going to get through CS?

LJR will try to answer as best i know but please bear in mind all MC's run differently .
do they say move a few more machines or some new ones from One MC to another and some of the workers and then just shut one of them? basically yes
Are MCs so underworked that within a few years they will be able to handle the workload of another? Are there machines lying around redundant in each MC? the machines are not running at full capacity and if traffic drops it makes financial sense to move extra staff into one MC and increase the duty sets than it does to keep another running with heating costs etc plus the money from selling off the land etc

Does DSA bypass almost all the process of MCs? No not unless it comes in from outside already walk sorted
Had no idea you didnt even get the 20 odd quid so what is in it for any MC RDC and distribution worker other than the money we were all going to get through CS? NOTHING
Every MC that i know has gone through revision after revision over the years each one loosing duty's everytime, RM have now cut jobs to such an extent that some MC's have capacity for full re vamp of duty's to run machines 24 hours a day and close other MC's The only thing in the new agreement is the improved terms for what can only be described as leaving the sinking ship !!
I personally will vote a big NO and i wish you walking postpeople good luck cos your getting shafted !!

Hope this helps and im sure some other MC workers will add their views !

[LJR]

Thank you i am bloody shocked and not a little scared that so little seems to have been done, surely there must some alternative to this slaughter of our jobs?