D2D Presentation.

[carpathia_kuja]

If somehow this pile of shite gets voted in they expect part timers to get pro rata d2d payments for delivering the exact same amount of d2d's as a full timer?

[postghost]

If somehow this pile of shite gets voted in they expect part timers to get pro rata d2d payments for delivering the exact same amount of d2d's as a full timer?

Yup.

[RookiePostie]

If somehow this pile of shite gets voted in they expect part timers to get pro rata d2d payments for delivering the exact same amount of d2d's as a full timer?

Yup.

If this crap goes through then us part timers should take a stand and only deliver a proportion of the D2D, we're constantly being shafted with Pro-rata everything, I usually do 15+ hours overtime a week cos I mainly float for cover for full time drivers. I might as well be full time. However mty pension is Pro-rata, Holidays are pro-rata, bonuses etc. all bloody pro-rata... it's shite. If the agreement goes through i'll be working to rule. No more overtime. If they want me to do more hours then they can make me up to full time.

[postghost]

If somehow this pile of shite gets voted in they expect part timers to get pro rata d2d payments for delivering the exact same amount of d2d's as a full timer?

Yup.

If this crap goes through then us part timers should take a stand and only deliver a proportion of the D2D, we're constantly being shafted with Pro-rata everything, I usually do 15+ hours overtime a week cos I mainly float for cover for full time drivers. I might as well be full time. However mty pension is Pro-rata, Holidays are pro-rata, bonuses etc. all bloody pro-rata... it's shite. If the agreement goes through i'll be working to rule. No more overtime. If they want me to do more hours then they can make me up to full time.

Wise words indeed mate.

The problem is that 80% of the part timers in my DO only think of their own short term gain.
Usual crap - coming in early, using cars, running, not claiming OT in fear of reprimands.
It's like the one guy in our office who says that if he didn't use his car, he would have to get another job. He was asked why and replied "because there is no pouch boxes on my delivery"

Anyone who buys into the bullshit that RM are seeking to end the use of private cars on delivery need to consider the following proverb:

Give someone an inch and they will demand a mile

[dvbuk55]

Or in RMs case 4.2 miles an hour - which incidentally has not been agreed yet - that will be under the revision tools which we haven't seen yet but hey we have to trust those in whose hands we place our future

[welshy808]

Or in RMs case 4.2 miles an hour - which incidentally has not been agreed yet - that will be under the revision tools which we haven't seen yet but hey we have to trust those in whose hands we place our future

I believe it's 4.1 mile per hours before the agreed workload tools which dingo said would be reduced by 2% to 4mph. that must be on the flat and no doubt 3.6mph on slopes greater than 1 in8 or predominantly steppy areas. still a crock of sheeet. But then has Dingo etc. been out on a delivery lately and I don't mean to an office but actually out pushing a trolley, carrying a bag or on a cycle. That goes for Dave Ward too. The Answer is NO and that is the problem. They left the sharp end that they are supposed to represent too long ago, in the golden age of two deliveries and good managers. If the the CWU push this then they will lose the right to represent delivery, as so many will leave the Union that it will represent less than 50% of the workforce then Royal Mail could ignore the union and do what they want. Is this the aim of Dave Ward and Bob Gibson, it will happen if you push this £20 pay cut on hard working Delivery staff. Every office I have contacted is against this by a vast majority. there are one or two that have read the LTB and not the actual agreement that seem they might vote yes but not many with the most popular comment being "well the £3 I'll save from the union will help". take note Billy and Dave without subs you'll have to take a pay cut to................

[delphic]

Come on guys and girls, I know that these forums are a struggle for supremacy between doom and gloom merchants and conspiracy theorists, but let's get our heads round a few facts:

1. Average calls per walk = 600, average payment per contract (@1.67p per item) = £10
2. MAXIMUM number of contracts per walk per week = 3. How many weeks do you get 1(£10), 2(£20) or even zero(£0) contracts?
3. Most areas decline D2D contracts during Xmas pressure (3/4 weeks), Also, manplan assumes total attendance of 44 weeks per year (i.e excluding annual and sick leave)
4. Therefore, even if you are in work for 44 weeks and receive the maximum number of contracts every week, you are looking at £906.40 over the year whereas 52 x £20.60 = £1071.20.
5. When this product changes from piecework (i.e. per item payment) to workload with no cap on numbers, then it makes no difference how many contracts you receive per week - duty content must reflect this. (higher call rate - smaller walks)
6. The weekly pay supplement is to offset lost earnings, not to compensate for increased workload - adjusted duties/additional hours should do this. No argument that we should have extracted a higher payment for D2D - especially as RM charge customer minimum of 31p per leaflet (yes, THIRTY ONE PENCE). That ship has sailed, unfortunately.
7. My big problem is about the fairness of this part of the deal. I can accept that the negotiators did well to secure existing monies from this product for its' members, but I am deeply uncomfortable with the way this money has been distributed. As I have mentioned in point 6 (above) the supplement is to offset lost earnings occasioned by change from piecework to workload. How can it be right that people who never performed this work (P.H.G.s, D.O.M. Supports, Drivers, Floaters etc.) and therefore never received payment are compensated for earnings that they have not lost? For example, a p/t walk holder delivering three sets of D2D claims £30 under present arrangements but his pro rata share of the supplement will be £12.87 (based on 25hr contract). Yet a f/t P.H.G. who works in the locker who doesn't do D2D, doesn't claim and therefore doesn't lose anything but he is in line for the full hit of £20.60. THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY UNFAIR AND HAS GOT TO BE CHANGED. Restructure the deal within agreed parameters!

[fishtank]

Come on guys and girls, I know that these forums are a struggle for supremacy between doom and gloom merchants and conspiracy theorists, but let's get our heads round a few facts

4. Therefore, even if you are in work for 44 weeks and receive the maximum number of contracts every week, you are looking at £906.40 over the year whereas 52 x £20.60 = £1071.20.

44weeks*3D2D*600calls*1.67pence=£1322.64
or even without christmas ...........£1202.40

And there is my shift allowance......£643.24

So if your going to get your head round a few facts they have to be facts.

[dvbuk55]

Come on guys and girls, I know that these forums are a struggle for supremacy between doom and gloom merchants and conspiracy theorists, but let's get our heads round a few facts

4. Therefore, even if you are in work for 44 weeks and receive the maximum number of contracts every week, you are looking at £906.40 over the year whereas 52 x £20.60 = £1071.20.

44weeks*3D2D*600calls*1.67pence=£1322.64
or even without christmas ...........£1202.40

And there is my shift allowance......£643.24

So if your going to get your head round a few facts they have to be facts.

Lets not go confusing this issue with facts fishtank it's difficult enough.

[delphic]

4. Therefore, even if you are in work for 44 weeks and receive the maximum number of contracts every week, you are looking at £906.40 over the year whereas 52 x £20.60 = £1071.20.

44weeks*3D2D*600calls*1.67pence=£1322.64
or even without christmas ...........£1202.40

And there is my shift allowance......£643.24

So if your going to get your head round a few facts they have to be facts. [/quote]

Good spot, I'll take that on the chin. Used the wrong divisor. Figures are, as you rightly say, £1322.64 vs £1071.20. Point remains the same: higher figure is maximum possible earnings.

BTW. the thread is D2D. Early shift payments in delivery were doomed from network review 2007 (imposed) and P&M ("..phased out on the implementation of pay restructuring.." or words to that effect.) There may be arguments for voting this deal down, but D2D (IF RESTRUCTURED MORE FAIRLY) isn't one of them.

[joe712000]

with regard to point 7,as a floater who doesnt deliver d2ds at the moment i can see a lot of them on the horizon.hence the payment(pro-rata).

[dvbuk55]

4. Therefore, even if you are in work for 44 weeks and receive the maximum number of contracts every week, you are looking at £906.40 over the year whereas 52 x £20.60 = £1071.20.

44weeks*3D2D*600calls*1.67pence=£1322.64
or even without christmas ...........£1202.40

And there is my shift allowance......£643.24

So if your going to get your head round a few facts they have to be facts.

Good spot, I'll take that on the chin. Used the wrong divisor. Figures are, as you rightly say, £1322.64 vs £1071.20. Point remains the same: higher figure is maximum possible earnings.

BTW. the thread is D2D. Early shift payments in delivery were doomed from network review 2007 (imposed) and P&M ("..phased out on the implementation of pay restructuring.." or words to that effect.) There may be arguments for voting this deal down, but D2D (IF RESTRUCTURED MORE FAIRLY) isn't one of them.[/quote]

Ah yes pay restructuring now there's me thinking that would include monthly pay, a fair and equal share of the spoils and yet all the time it meant a pay cut

[Spedley]

Good spot, I'll take that on the chin. Used the wrong divisor. Figures are, as you rightly say, £1322.64 vs £1071.20. Point remains the same: higher figure is maximum possible earnings.

It's doesn't have to be the maximum, we could have negotiated a removal of the 3 items cap in exchange for 2p per item.

44 weeks * 5D2D * 600 calls * 2 pence = £2640

That is a much better maximum for exactly the same work we WILL be doing for our £12.42/week (£645 per year)

[ELLY3535]

DOES ANYONE NO HOW MANY D2D WE WILL HAVE TO DO IN A WEEK WITH THIS NEW AGGREMENT

[TrueBlueTerrier]

DOES ANYONE NO HOW MANY D2D WE WILL HAVE TO DO IN A WEEK WITH THIS NEW AGGREMENT

How long is a piece if string would be the answer - Educated guesses are looking at around 6 per household. However the agreement used the term "removal of the cap" which means as many as they can get and expect us to deliver.