Reasons to vote yes!

[Big Daz]

There is no poor guy, my DTD arrangement with the lovley lass of a floater is a voluntary matter that runs from week to week, at any point in time I can choose to do 80%. In fact ive done that for the last 3 weeks as lovely SS lass of a floater has been on leave down under.


The lovley SS lass of a floater is a 30 hour week PT, so like me so will be getting the £317

The facts remain that my payslip from April 2012 if this all goes through will say £317 minium gross 52 weeks a year.

So the question I have to ask myself, as per the topic title is this a reason to vote yes.

But the point you continually gloss over Daz is that if you do your D2D your payslip NOW would say approx £305 or if you like to average it £300.

So the question you have to ask yourself has to be a balanced question from the start.

Sorry

Your over assuming on my DTD payments, there a lot of variables, the reality is around £812 a year. Last week i had £13 the week before £9

£37 a week for 52 weeks is £1924, which means £1112 a year for lifting the cap.

Dvbuk

The supplement payrise will take place in 2011, even if there isnt one in 2012 and its only pence anyway.

As for the 2012 payrise Im confident that the 3.5% will happen.

So potentially I will have £317 on my payslip, im very sorry that pisses you and fishtank off so much, but all this was unknown when I went to 30 hours even pay and mod was yet to happen.

[fishtank]

Daz it doesn't piss me off in the slightest mate.
I do not grudge you a single penny.
I just believe if you post something like I'm getting a £37 pay rise you should really qualify that statement.

[dvbuk55]

Daz it doesn't piss me off in the slightest mate.
I do not grudge you a single penny.
I just believe if you post something like I'm getting a £37 pay rise you should really qualify that statement.

Wiithout recourse to ifs ands & maybes. and of course the here and now not the then and when.

[Big Daz]

I did though.

Most weeks are £280, potentially it will rise to £317 every week.

[POSTMAN]

tbf Daz,it's a winners and losers deal as has been stated,you're a winner( financially)well eventually if things go to plan.
I know you'll do the best for your guys,good luck.

[dvbuk55]

I did though.

Most weeks are £280, potentially it will rise to £317 every week.

Well like all union spin it's potentially a good deal with potential earnings in the future and we've all heard of Jam tomorrow or £317 potentially in 2012. Then of course there are the - how many to lose their jobs and the other 4% of full timers to be transferred to part time by 2013 - oh yes so much to look forward to in the future.

If it looks like bullshit, sounds like bullshit it IS bullshit.

[Big Daz]

I fully agree, it is a winners and loosers.

I would have loved to have seen some form of supplement like we had with the way forward agreement to help the loosers.

When the pension deficit is gone and the loan is paid off and the DSA makes 100 million profit instead of loss then some of that money should go to the loosers.

[dvbuk55]

I fully agree, it is a winners and loosers.

I would have loved to have seen some form of supplement like we had with the way forward agreement to help the loosers.

When the pension deficit is gone and the loan is paid off and the DSA makes 100 million profit instead of loss then some of that money should go to the loosers.

You see I can't get my head round the fact that we are, as a union, subscribing to winners and losers and actually discriminating against part time employees, which is a feature, will continue to be a feature and will increase as a feature of RM employment policy by our own admission. Is this truly the way we want to go as an organistion for unity and strength - if it is then I want no part of it after the NO vote.

[tbi1959]

Why i WILL vote YES since the agreement became public i have been listening very carefully in our office and the one's that are up in arms the most are the strike breakers they had thier laugh at us while we lost money now it is our turn to laugh, as i have said to most of them if you are not prepared to take any action then you have to vote yes, you were not willing to back your union then so why should we who did strike back you now, i for one if the vote is a no and action starts again i WILL walk through a picket line for the first time in my life, as the agreement say we must embrace change some change our leader should be ashamed of themselves.

Just like to say "MONMOUTH D.O." 'ave that!!!!

[andy2007]

It's all very well talking about financial gain or loss. But what about working conditions?
Back in 2007, I wanted to see us get a small increase, even if it was only a token one. But things have got too bad everywhere now. Posties being harrassed, because they can't keep up with the pace. Now I'm not talking about the p**s takers, who just want to finish early. But the ones who already work all their hours, and need to cut off. And then there's the ones in MCs or RDCs, who although they aren't in anything like as bad a position as Delivery Posties yet, are gradually catching up. And far worse: The ones who feel compelled to cut corners, particularly with H&S, to get the job done.

I don't know about you. But I've seen far more accidents and near misses in the last couple of years, than I have in a very long time. And it's still getting worse. Personally (and I know that this will upset many) I'd rather have a pay freeze, in exchange for improvements in working conditions and safety. It'll cause me, and no doubt everyone else financial problems in the long run. But I'd rather that, than see more people suffering from stress, depression, and injuries. Wouldn't you?

[mcboing boing]

I fully agree, it is a winners and loosers.

I would have loved to have seen some form of supplement like we had with the way forward agreement to help the loosers.

Mailcentre workers are getting a supplement to help the losers.

In Units where the PBS/ICS payment is greater than £8.00, the amount over £8.00 will still be paid


That is the issue with this agreement when it mentions "winner and losers" the losers are always deliveries.

[fishtank]

I fully agree, it is a winners and loosers.

I would have loved to have seen some form of supplement like we had with the way forward agreement to help the loosers.

Mailcentre workers are getting a supplement to help the losers.

In Units where the PBS/ICS payment is greater than £8.00, the amount over £8.00 will still be paid


That is the issue with this agreement when it mentions "winner and losers" the losers are always deliveries.

There is plenty to lose for MC staff as well,possibly the ultimate loss,your job.
Or alternatively a 30mile trek to work in what RM considers a suitable alternative location.

[andy2007]

NONE!

[mcboing boing]

I fully agree, it is a winners and loosers.

I would have loved to have seen some form of supplement like we had with the way forward agreement to help the loosers.

Mailcentre workers are getting a supplement to help the losers.

In Units where the PBS/ICS payment is greater than £8.00, the amount over £8.00 will still be paid


That is the issue with this agreement when it mentions "winner and losers" the losers are always deliveries.

There is plenty to lose for MC staff as well,possibly the ultimate loss,your job.
Or alternatively a 30mile trek to work in what RM considers a suitable alternative location.

Mail centre closures are happening regardless of this agreement. They have been planned for a considerable amount of time.

[Ernie Shoe]

It's all very well talking about financial gain or loss. But what about working conditions?
Back in 2007, I wanted to see us get a small increase, even if it was only a token one. But things have got too bad everywhere now. Posties being harrassed, because they can't keep up with the pace. Now I'm not talking about the p**s takers, who just want to finish early. But the ones who already work all their hours, and need to cut off. And then there's the ones in MCs or RDCs, who although they aren't in anything like as bad a position as Delivery Posties yet, are gradually catching up. And far worse: The ones who feel compelled to cut corners, particularly with H&S, to get the job done.

I don't know about you. But I've seen far more accidents and near misses in the last couple of years, than I have in a very long time. And it's still getting worse. Personally (and I know that this will upset many) I'd rather have a pay freeze, in exchange for improvements in working conditions and safety. It'll cause me, and no doubt everyone else financial problems in the long run. But I'd rather that, than see more people suffering from stress, depression, and injuries. Wouldn't you?

Totally agree with you Andy.
I want a fair and balanced workload - one where I can get in on time, have a break, finish on time and not have to bust a gut or get hassle for cutting off - if a pay freeze insured that then It would be a BIG YES VOTE fom me!