In my wages today.

[slave]

A pay cut? but you could also be working 1 hour less a week - considering some people moan about not having enough family time, this (admittdly only minor) helps.. Considering we do 40/week that is a lot of hours vanishing in an average office - do you believe RM will be capable of fitting all this work into 39hours? I can see either a shorter working week or overtime being paid frequently!

And ask yourself the question - do you think you would get a deal like this if RM is privatised - which either by this or the next govt. it will be - it's only a matter of time.. Do you think a private company would be willing to offer loads of money for you delivering leaflets? Would they place a cap on the numbers? I doubt it.

[Fluke]

the difference is, you now have job security and you will be paid to prep your d2d - whereas before you put the d2d up in your own time.

your also getting 1 hour off.

when the mechanisation kicks in - it will be later starts for everyone so probably shift payment would go down anyway.

in case nobody notice - they had to reach a deal to protect your pension. the govt said no deal no pension guarantee. so now they are lobbying to get the pension settled.

taken in the context of the worst recession in a lifetime and thousands of people are losing jobs, pay (british airways) blah blah, we WILL be lucky to keep our jobs.

i went on strike for job security - which has been offered to us - unless you want EVR in which case you would get enhanced rates - not the state minimum like lots of people.

i will be voting yes - what alternative would a no vote make?

Boddy hell here we go again! D2D are not done in your own time, your supposed to prep and deliver them within normal duty time. The 1 hour you speak of will more than be made up of 12 mins a day - so enjoy your extra time off. "You should be greatful fo keep your jobs" is the sort of thing our DOM used to say during WTLL sessions, remember the profits RM recently announced or the 2 million Croziers getting in his golden handshake? Does that sound like we were struggling?

Its up to you how you vote, but I think you need to go back and read that agreement again. Every ordinary working postman is a loser with this agreement, RM will be laughing down there sleeves if this goes through.

[AnotherLimey]

the difference is, you now have job security and you will be paid to prep your d2d - whereas before you put the d2d up in your own time.

your also getting 1 hour off.

when the mechanisation kicks in - it will be later starts for everyone so probably shift payment would go down anyway.

in case nobody notice - they had to reach a deal to protect your pension. the govt said no deal no pension guarantee. so now they are lobbying to get the pension settled.

taken in the context of the worst recession in a lifetime and thousands of people are losing jobs, pay (british airways) blah blah, we WILL be lucky to keep our jobs.

i went on strike for job security - which has been offered to us - unless you want EVR in which case you would get enhanced rates - not the state minimum like lots of people.

i will be voting yes - what alternative would a no vote make?

I will NEVER strike for money, i also would never vote to take a pay cut either.

[snoopywonderdog]

the difference is, you now have job security and you will be paid to prep your d2d - whereas before you put the d2d up in your own time.

your also getting 1 hour off.

when the mechanisation kicks in - it will be later starts for everyone so probably shift payment would go down anyway.

in case nobody notice - they had to reach a deal to protect your pension. the govt said no deal no pension guarantee. so now they are lobbying to get the pension settled.

taken in the context of the worst recession in a lifetime and thousands of people are losing jobs, pay (british airways) blah blah, we WILL be lucky to keep our jobs.

i went on strike for job security - which has been offered to us - unless you want EVR in which case you would get enhanced rates - not the state minimum like lots of people.

i will be voting yes - what alternative would a no vote make?

Boddy hell here we go again! D2D are not done in your own time, your supposed to prep and deliver them within normal duty time. The 1 hour you speak of will more than be made up of 12 mins a day - so enjoy your extra time off. "You should be greatful fo keep your jobs" is the sort of thing our DOM used to say during WTLL sessions, remember the profits RM recently announced or the 2 million Croziers getting in his golden handshake? Does that sound like we were struggling?

Its up to you how you vote, but I think you need to go back and read that agreement again. Every ordinary working postman is a loser with this agreement, RM will be laughing down there sleeves if this goes through.

So if you prep & deliver them in your duty time why are you paid extra for doing them.

[stokes11eg]

And please do not forget when they enlarge the welks again, and push more absortion on to you, in real terms you will be done out of a lot more money for your households!

[Fluke]

the difference is, you now have job security and you will be paid to prep your d2d - whereas before you put the d2d up in your own time.

your also getting 1 hour off.

when the mechanisation kicks in - it will be later starts for everyone so probably shift payment would go down anyway.

in case nobody notice - they had to reach a deal to protect your pension. the govt said no deal no pension guarantee. so now they are lobbying to get the pension settled.

taken in the context of the worst recession in a lifetime and thousands of people are losing jobs, pay (british airways) blah blah, we WILL be lucky to keep our jobs.

i went on strike for job security - which has been offered to us - unless you want EVR in which case you would get enhanced rates - not the state minimum like lots of people.

i will be voting yes - what alternative would a no vote make?

Boddy hell here we go again! D2D are not done in your own time, your supposed to prep and deliver them within normal duty time. The 1 hour you speak of will more than be made up of 12 mins a day - so enjoy your extra time off. "You should be greatful fo keep your jobs" is the sort of thing our DOM used to say during WTLL sessions, remember the profits RM recently announced or the 2 million Croziers getting in his golden handshake? Does that sound like we were struggling?

Its up to you how you vote, but I think you need to go back and read that agreement again. Every ordinary working postman is a loser with this agreement, RM will be laughing down there sleeves if this goes through.

So if you prep & deliver them in your duty time why are you paid extra for doing them.

To save going over it all again, here is the oriional thread along with a copy of the agreement. http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 36&t=11243 Althought the agreement is dated 1996, it has not been superceded and is therefore current.

[belle smith]

And please do not forget when they enlarge the welks again, and push more absortion on to you, in real terms you will be done out of a lot more money for your households!

When they do that, money for households will be the least of my concerns.

[Godric]

nearly £26 for 80% d2ds and £12.37 for early shift allowance a loss of just over £17 per week :cfo

[wally7]

This week D2D £24.92 Early shift allowance 12.37 When i went to school along time ago that total would add up to £37.29.But how i am told that it OUR UNION!!!!!!!! think £20.60 IS OK well thanks i will be down £16.69 a week well once i voted no i think i will have to tighteen my belt. First thing save £3.01 a week come out off this crap union

[eian687]

here too wally £3 in my pocket

[belle smith]

How about you's keep spending the £4 and just vote no!

[packmule]

the difference is, you now have job security and you will be paid to prep your d2d - whereas before you put the d2d up in your own time.

WRONG

D2D are preped and delivered in RM time

And before you do anything rash don't forget , TO VOTE NO YOU WILL STILL HAVE TO BE A MEMBER

If it all goes to cock and gets voted in then f@ck the union for agreeing to the crap in the first place

:mfo :mfo :mfo

[eian687]

will stay to vote , but if this crap gets in the i am out

[Fluke]

will stay to vote , but if this crap gets in the i am out

Totally agree, stay in and vote, if it comes in withdraw your subs.

[nelp]

We have to look at what has caused the D2D problem. Lots of people refuse to do them when that happens they arein effect saying they dont want/need the money, That must make it hard for the CWU to put up an argument to increase the payments. The soloution would have been to lift the cap and collect the old rate and we would have got a pay rise. if the contracts had grown.

The problem would have been no prep time and lots of people picking which D2D to do, making it harder to get more contracts if we are to survive as a company we need to be able to gurantee the service. Putting it in workload makes us ALL fill out our day and protects our job.

Rember the £20 supplment is paid 52 weeks of the year regardless of holidays sick or if there are no D2D you need to look back over the year and see if this equates to as much money as you get on D2D some weeks we have one or no D2D's