Reasons to vote yes!

[POSTMAN]

Ok hold tight
Now i still have not had the chance to go through the agreement properly,baring in mind there could possibly be 2-3 weeks before we vote,i am going to have a good read of it.
I fully understand where a lot of you are coming from in the threads,and i have gleaned a lot of info from them.

But there are 'yes' (although i am neither yes or no at the mo)voters on here,some have voted in the poll and i think it would be interesting to see what their reason are.
We know why people will vote no,so lets find out why some of you would vote yes.

Everybody on the board is entitled to have their say without it kicking off,read the rules please guys.
Also any yes voters feel free to PM me,or email me,using the contact form HERE if you wish.

EDIT:Forgot to mention,i will try and use the comments as an article for the front page.
Both sides of the fence will get their air time.

[ldsposti]

Why i WILL vote YES since the agreement became public i have been listening very carefully in our office and the one's that are up in arms the most are the strike breakers they had thier laugh at us while we lost money now it is our turn to laugh, as i have said to most of them if you are not prepared to take any action then you have to vote yes, you were not willing to back your union then so why should we who did strike back you now, i for one if the vote is a no and action starts again i WILL walk through a picket line for the first time in my life, as the agreement say we must embrace change some change our leader should be ashamed of themselves.

[belle smith]

Yip i would genuienly like to know.....and people should be allowed to say without being shouted down.

[Cut Off King]

Your over optomistic......there isnt any reason to vote yes.

[numan]

Why i WILL vote YES since the agreement became public i have been listening very carefully in our office and the one's that are up in arms the most are the strike breakers they had thier laugh at us while we lost money now it is our turn to laugh, as i have said to most of them if you are not prepared to take any action then you have to vote yes, you were not willing to back your union then so why should we who did strike back you now, i for one if the vote is a no and action starts again i WILL walk through a picket line for the first time in my life, as the agreement say we must embrace change some change our leader should be ashamed of themselves.

I don't understand this post at all, why will a NO vote be anything to do with backing strike breakers?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

My initial reaction on reading the leaked version was to vote NO. However one thing I detest is a closed mind so in line with that I stand ready to be convinced to vote yes.

Postman's offer also stands for me anyone who wants to voice a yes opinion can also PM me and I will post their comments without amendment or comment (within the post) as long as no rules are broken.

I do reserve the right to comment after I have posted your own comments though.

[taffy45]

looking at the deal should i vote yes, well there is no reason for me not to and here are the reasons why, d2d i work the 1 off in 6 or hereford weeks as we call them so only do d2d 38 weeks of year so will not lose out money wise yes i will have to do maybe 8 a week but that will be included in my walk and prep and as it stands right now would have to be cut,later saturdays well we already work till 1 in our office so taking into account a 1 hour reduction in working week wont make much difference.will i vote yes to this, NEVER ,the pro rata for d2d for part timers is a disgrace the loss of money for everybody who does d2d ever week of the year is a disgrace,the only good thing in the whole bloody agreements is the banning of cars on delivery something we should have done a long time ago ourselves

[paranoid-android]

Not sure how i'm voting yet but did i see in the agreement that the union will have a say in local restructuring of delivery spans and the parameters used in pegasus, (i.e. the walking speed) and that D2D will have to be included in your prep rate. Surely this will mean that you should get more hours allocated to delivery offices, or am i wrong?

[belle smith]

Not sure how i'm voting yet but did i see in the agreement that the union will have a say in local restructuring of delivery spans and the parameters used in pegasus, (i.e. the walking speed) and that D2D will have to be included in your prep rate. Surely this will mean that you should get more hours allocated to delivery offices, or am i wrong?

I don't personally think it will work like that...but don't want to say any more on this thread in case i discurrage people from posting anyway i have already said it on other threads....

[Judgee]

Definite NO from me. For delivery staff this deal is really totally poop.... however the clever bods that the management are, they have actually mad the deal ok for the indoor workers who I suspect will be happy to vote yes

Divide and conquer, the favourite tool of management and warmongers worldwide for centuries :cfo

[opgpat]

Agree that 'work measurement' is the only potentially positive section in the agreement. The major problem is however that the wording is so wishy-washy that it's open to interpretation and the parameters set may ultimately be decided by your DOM. There are no hard and fast directives in this agreement for managers and as such they are free to use and abuse it's vague promises and commitments willy-nilly.

Let's have a close look:

'Planning for operational change in delivery units will be done using national planning and measurement systems, and revision tools to ensure that workload is assessed and applied accurately, is fair and manageable, and indoor processes and outdoor delivery routes are optimised, efficient and achievable – recognising any specific local issues that may need to be considered.' p19

The major problem with that statement is is doesn't say who decides what is fair and manageable? It doesn't say what walk speed will be set or call rate, only says the cwu and RM will have a consultation workshop about it. CWU can come out and say the walk speed should be 2mph and RM can say it should be 3.5. But who's figure goes? The agreement doesn't say! RM can go executive with the call rates and speed there is NOTHING in the agreement stopping them. And the bit about local issues being considered basically means DOMs can set their own paramenters and use any excuse they want to justify it. Like the rest of this document IT IS VAGUE BEYOND BELIEF.

[Stormproof]

Its a No from me, deliveries are getting the s**t end of the deal. People have got to think of the future if they vote yes, if you arn't on Deliveries yet you may be at some point when your 'enhanced' EVR package is'nt enough.

[POSTMAN]

EDIT 1st post:Forgot to mention,i will try and use the comments as an article for the front page.
Both sides of the fence will get their air time.

Also guys,i need the yes peeps in here please.

[smokerjim]

As a 35hr man, and the PT with greatest seniority in my DO, my rep & assistant rep has said I've got the most to gain, as I'd probably get a hallowed FT contract ( that has been my Holy Grail - FT & Permanant )....but I'm probably still going to vote against, as I dislike 3 d2ds now, and I will dispise FK how many, with less money earned! I need to read a hard copy of the agreement first before I make up my mind ( get distracted on the PC )

[steven100]

Their is no reasons to vote yes, why vote for a deal when you get less pay. Why vote for a deal which that doesn't safeguard your pension, government plug our pension please. The only reason i'd consider voting Yes is if our pension hole was filled and we went back to the old pension scheme. Please who wants to do 10 D2D a day. This deal has so many pitfalls i've stopped looking at the agreement. Hayes and Ward must resign.