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Royal Mail staff agree pay and modernisation deal

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robd
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Re: Royal Mail staff agree pay and modernisation deal

Post by robd »

rogue wrote:its a shame most people are commenting without reading the whole agreement as we went on strike for an agreement on everything and the pensions to be sorted out and even had banners saying its not about pay its about full time jobs.
as far as i know all aspects have been agreed covering all the issues i went on strike for and nobody has been tucked up by the union , some people do need a reality check on this website as i have not seen many firms offering any pay rises lately or commiting to full time employment .
Quite frankly,i would rather do the D2D's for a modest pay increase(basic pay)in effect nothing,than this scenario of
everyone doing the same,but being paid a different amount.
What worries me most,is looking at the agreement,there appear to be pitfalls that the CWU have either chosen to
ignore,or have no conception of just what the new delivery model will entail,in terms of workload.
TBH Rogue,one box that the union has ticked,is the shorter working week,and i don't remember anyone saying that was
a priority during the clamour for industrial action.
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Re: Royal Mail staff agree pay and modernisation deal

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rogue wrote:its a shame most people are commenting without reading the whole agreement as we went on strike for an agreement on everything and the pensions to be sorted out and even had banners saying its not about pay its about full time jobs.
as far as i know all aspects have been agreed covering all the issues i went on strike for and nobody has been tucked up by the union , some people do need a reality check on this website as i have not seen many firms offering any pay rises lately or committing to full time employment .
I suggest you take off the rose tinted spectacles when you read it again. There is no commitment by the CWU or Royal Mail to full time employment quite the contrary in fact, VRs & buy downs is not a commitment to full time employment. If a full time member leaves is he going to be replaced by a full time member - of course not - the PROPOSED limit is 75/25 it is not agreed - and who on a national level is going to keep score?

The CWU have been fully aware that part time working is now the norm because union funds are losing so much a year because of that and of course the normal full time attrition. What they have done is pay lip service to protecting full time jobs without any safeguards.

Then of course there is that deal breaking 1 hour off the working week - now how is that going to be applied I wonder, will it be in favour of the employee with a 1 hour early finish say on Saturday? or will it be a 12 minute later start - well considering that some muppets come in an hour early it will mean they are coming in an hour and 12 minutes early.

Talk it up if you must but this is a bad deal and I still think it is only half the tale and when the next round of negotiations take place in three years time and it is 50/50 and yet another round of productivity and pay cuts?
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demon
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Re: Royal Mail staff agree pay and modernisation deal

Post by demon »

im a defo no vote anyone no when reps are going to bref us on this s**t
belle smith
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Post by belle smith »

Night Tonic wrote:Polls on here on something like this is useless. Look at 2007, RMC was sure the deal wouldn't be accepted and it was. Fact.

£400? Just for ticking yes? come on this is the real world. You bet it'll be accepted.
Enjoy your £400.
I wouldn't get to cosy with the view that the members will toe the line like 2007, RMC may not be any diffrent but the view in my office certainly is. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
pickaname
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Re: Royal Mail staff agree pay and modernisation deal

Post by pickaname »

"The union said that under the deal there will be opportunities to turn allowances into regular additions to basic pay, starting with an immediate payment of £20.60 a week for delivery staff, equivalent to a 5.9% pay increase"

Hahaha!

They forget to mention the money lost from D2D payments AND the fact the cap has been lifted!

Im forking angry
kfn
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Re: Royal Mail staff agree pay and modernisation deal

Post by kfn »

How come there is no mention of pension & EVR in the agreed deal?
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Re: Royal Mail staff agree pay and modernisation deal

Post by steven100 »

I'm voting yes so i get my £400 then leave :Very Happy :Very Happy :Very Happy
pickaname
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Re: Royal Mail staff agree pay and modernisation deal

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steven100 wrote:I'm voting yes so i get my £400 then leave :Very Happy :Very Happy :Very Happy
Dont forget to take your 30 pieces of silver on the way out :wave
belle smith
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Re: Royal Mail staff agree pay and modernisation deal

Post by belle smith »

rogue

Although i don't agree with you i don't want to discurage you from posting....whats a discussion board without discussion. Night tonic i already knoe you wont be discuraged.
belle smith
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Re: Royal Mail staff agree pay and modernisation deal

Post by belle smith »

kfn wrote:How come there is no mention of pension & EVR in the agreed deal?
Pensions is not part of the deal.
the best thing in this deal is the improved EVR!
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kfn
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Re: Royal Mail staff agree pay and modernisation deal

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There is no full agreement to read on union website howevere they posted following info

Deal brings pay and job security for postal workers
8th March 2010


The Communication Workers Union has reached a deal with Royal Mail which brings a pay rise in excess of 6.9 per cent over the next three years, reduces the working week and brings greater job security to postal workers while delivering business transformation. In addition, postal workers will receive lump sums of around £2,500 and weekly basic pay supplements through consolidation of existing money worth between 2.3 and 5.9 per cent.



Dave Ward, CWU deputy general secretary, said: "It's been a long time coming, but this deal delivers on the major issues which postal workers have fought for. There's a balance of pay and operational changes which will help offset job losses and ensure our members are fairly rewarded for change.


"We have always said that we couldn't face away from change. The agreement recognises the reality of automation, competition and the financial challenges facing the company, but it does so in a way that puts the interests of CWU members at its heart.


"Both sides have committed to improving industrial relations and ensuring a more positive working relationship in the best interests of everyone at Royal Mail.


"We'd like to thank Roger Poole, ACAS and Brendan Barber for their efforts over the past months which have helped to secure this successful outcome.


"There has been a lot of talk about the future of the company in relation to competition and the pension deficit. Now that we have reached this agreement it is clear that business transformation can be delivered. As a result we're determined to address the pensions issue and establish whether the government will now finally accept its responsibilities, as the owner of the company, to find an acceptable solution."



The agreement is subject to a ballot of CWU membership for acceptance.


The agreement is over 80 pages long and covers lots of industrial detail for different areas of Royal Mail. The key areas are:
· Pay: increases to basic pay of over 6.9% over three years broken down as:
o 2% in April 2010
o 1.4% in April 2011
o 3.5% in April 2012


· Pay: lump sums likely to exceed £2,500 paid as:
o £400 for each full time employee (and pro-rata) on ratification of the agreement
o £1,000 per full time employee (and pro-rata) linked to delivery of planned changes in each workplace.
o Payments of bonus payments at their value in 2011 and 2012 - these should increase in value as transformation improves the position of the business.


· Pay: opportunities to turn allowances (and in delivery door-to-door payments) into regular additions to basic pay starting with an immediate payment of £20.60 per week for delivery staff (equivalent to 5.9% pay increase) and £8 per week for mail centre staff (equivalent to 2.3%).


· Shorter working week - reduced by one hour to 39 hours gross, 35 hours 40minutes net for the vast majority of postal workers
· Job security - agreement to maintain at least 75% of workers as full-time with no forced move for any worker from full time to part time or vice versa


· Job security - improved terms are available for people moving to alternative offices as a result of the changes and a commitment to continue making changes through voluntary means.
· Improved maternity pay from 18 to 26 weeks and paternity pay from one to two weeks.


· Saturday as a normal working day for deliveries, but with opportunity for people to have more Saturdays off if they want them. A joint innovative approach to duty patterns to meet business needs and employee aspirations.
Full agreement available to read on the CWU website at: http://www.cwu.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
naughton
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Re: Royal Mail staff agree pay and modernisation deal

Post by naughton »

IMPROVED EVR ?
kfn
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Re: Royal Mail staff agree pay and modernisation deal

Post by kfn »

What are the improved EVR conditions then. any idea
belle smith
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Re: Royal Mail staff agree pay and modernisation deal

Post by belle smith »

kfn wrote:There is no full agreement to read on union website howevere they posted following info
They probaly don't want you to see it. Just the PR job on the edited highlights
pickaname
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Re: Royal Mail staff agree pay and modernisation deal

Post by pickaname »

So how do we get more saturdays off?

Theres nothing in the agreement that tells us how this is going to be achieved.