99% of reps will read it but where the briefing is key is that the average member will see the document and in reality see a lot of words but no background information etc. The reps at the briefing will be able to questions the officers, listen to a lowdown on why certain decisions were made and whether we like it or not this could and no doubt will influence SOME reps into getting behind the agreement.dvbuk55 wrote:lovejoy wrote:looking forward to tomorrow and us all getting the doc from HQ then the real mayhem starting!
Wednesdays and Thursdays briefings will be a key event as for every 1 of you guys who will analyse the deal cover to cover there are 10 that will (a) just look at short term things like lump sums or (b) seek the opinion of their reps (s).
Hopefully the reps will be the ones who read it and give their honest and unbridled opinion. The lump sums are a joke and people will not be so easily swayed this time, so if Ward and Co think this will be a shoe in..............................good luck to them.
The securing the Unions role in the workplace v supposedly selling delivery members short on pay is a very interesting one.fishtank wrote:Eirnie shoe wrote
If a yes vote is achieved then I'm out of here. Better things to do with my life!!
And that i would suggest is much more to the point than who will read what.
If HQ is successful in shoehorning in an unpopular deal.
What will be the long term price the CWU pay.
It's all very well securing your position in the workplace.
But if reps outnumber ordinary members what is the point.
I'd just LOVE to hear what the background information is and exactly how this could possibly sway someone into getting behind this agreement. You see to me there is absolutely nothing in this agreement for the rank and file - what it does do is perpetuate the union as a negotiating body without any intention to represent the membership and that is the sham this union has become because it is only important for the union to be in the workplace IF they are representing its members.lovejoy wrote:99% of reps will read it but where the briefing is key is that the average member will see the document and in reality see a lot of words but no background information etc. The reps at the briefing will be able to questions the officers, listen to a lowdown on why certain decisions were made and whether we like it or not this could and no doubt will influence SOME reps into getting behind the agreement.dvbuk55 wrote:lovejoy wrote:looking forward to tomorrow and us all getting the doc from HQ then the real mayhem starting!
Wednesdays and Thursdays briefings will be a key event as for every 1 of you guys who will analyse the deal cover to cover there are 10 that will (a) just look at short term things like lump sums or (b) seek the opinion of their reps (s).
Hopefully the reps will be the ones who read it and give their honest and unbridled opinion. The lump sums are a joke and people will not be so easily swayed this time, so if Ward and Co think this will be a shoe in..............................good luck to them.
It may not be what you want to hear but it is true.
I also agree that the lump sums are not head turning but the sad truth is that some people will have already spent that money as soon as they see it!
If you cannot see that there is 'anything' in the agreement for the membership then you really are not giving an honest appraisal.dvbuk55 wrote:I'd just LOVE to hear what the background information is and exactly how this could possibly sway someone into getting behind this agreement. You see to me there is absolutely nothing in this agreement for the rank and file - what it does do is perpetuate the union as a negotiating body without any intention to represent the membership and that is the sham this union has become.lovejoy wrote:99% of reps will read it but where the briefing is key is that the average member will see the document and in reality see a lot of words but no background information etc. The reps at the briefing will be able to questions the officers, listen to a lowdown on why certain decisions were made and whether we like it or not this could and no doubt will influence SOME reps into getting behind the agreement.dvbuk55 wrote:lovejoy wrote:looking forward to tomorrow and us all getting the doc from HQ then the real mayhem starting!
Wednesdays and Thursdays briefings will be a key event as for every 1 of you guys who will analyse the deal cover to cover there are 10 that will (a) just look at short term things like lump sums or (b) seek the opinion of their reps (s).
Hopefully the reps will be the ones who read it and give their honest and unbridled opinion. The lump sums are a joke and people will not be so easily swayed this time, so if Ward and Co think this will be a shoe in..............................good luck to them.
It may not be what you want to hear but it is true.
I also agree that the lump sums are not head turning but the sad truth is that some people will have already spent that money as soon as they see it!
OK I can't - please point out the salient points in the agreement that benefit the membership.lovejoy wrote:If you cannot see that there is 'anything' in the agreement for the membership then you really are not giving an honest appraisal.dvbuk55 wrote:I'd just LOVE to hear what the background information is and exactly how this could possibly sway someone into getting behind this agreement. You see to me there is absolutely nothing in this agreement for the rank and file - what it does do is perpetuate the union as a negotiating body without any intention to represent the membership and that is the sham this union has become.lovejoy wrote:99% of reps will read it but where the briefing is key is that the average member will see the document and in reality see a lot of words but no background information etc. The reps at the briefing will be able to questions the officers, listen to a lowdown on why certain decisions were made and whether we like it or not this could and no doubt will influence SOME reps into getting behind the agreement.dvbuk55 wrote:lovejoy wrote:looking forward to tomorrow and us all getting the doc from HQ then the real mayhem starting!
Wednesdays and Thursdays briefings will be a key event as for every 1 of you guys who will analyse the deal cover to cover there are 10 that will (a) just look at short term things like lump sums or (b) seek the opinion of their reps (s).
Hopefully the reps will be the ones who read it and give their honest and unbridled opinion. The lump sums are a joke and people will not be so easily swayed this time, so if Ward and Co think this will be a shoe in..............................good luck to them.
It may not be what you want to hear but it is true.
I also agree that the lump sums are not head turning but the sad truth is that some people will have already spent that money as soon as they see it!
ditto!OK I can't - please point out the salient points in the agreement that benefit the membership.
Lovejoy, I would be interested to know if you think Royalmail will honour the things you mention above? If yes, what makes you convinced? also, will the agreed elements be based on fair and realistic workloads? I think the big problem after 2007 is that most posties don't trust Royalmail to abide by agreements. For me personally fair and achievable workloads is just as important as pay.I can say with 100% certainty that RM would have happily given a pay hike in return for what they have given in in the 'unions role in the workplace' - agreed revision tools, agreed work standards, an agreed revision process, an agreed rationalisation framework etc because without these things and without the Unions 'role' they would have made far more money by continuing to expose units locally!
1. Removed the 2years pay cealing on VR'slovejoy wrote: If you cannot see that there is 'anything' in the agreement for the membership then you really are not giving an honest appraisal.
