£20.60 D2D supplement!!

[fishtank]

Get rid of the pro rata and up the payment to £30 without including the shift allowances and the deal would look more reasonable.

That part of the deal would look more reasonable.
Have you read the rest?

[jessicarabbit]

Sorry if I've missed something within all of these pages, (too depressed to read through it all), but I'm trying to understand what makes anyone think that part-timers would be paid pro-rata for D.2.D.

Most P.T at out D.O do everything bar I.P.S, so why would they receive less D.2.D money as D.2.D aren't part of I.P.S!

Surely prep and delivery of D.2.D is the criteria for payment, not working hours.

The bit where it said" pro rata" is what gave it away to me

Don't forget the fact that it is a non-pensionable pro-rata supplement.

One can only assume that because D2D is now considered 'workload' a PT does less work ie hours than FT hence why the payment can be pro rata like another poster said already a FT rural driver may only deliver to 250 drops whereas a PT town chap may deliver to 600. The difference is the indoor hours PT must make sure that they do not touch D2D indoors unless they are paid the physical hours to handle them.

[garymgo]

If this is the real offer and it gets accepted, I can see mass resignations from the CWU and I for one will be 3 pounds a week better off.

[k979aaa]

Lets just get this straight you could be here for 25 years and do not get D2D payment but be made to do delivery and you will get jack sh!t BUT YOU WILL STILL HAVE TO DO THEM or you could start tomorrow and GET JACK SH!T AND WILL STILL HAVE TO DO THEM!. THIS IS NOT A PART TIME OR FULL TIME AGREEMENT IT AFFECTS ALL DON'T BE SIDELINED BY EL CARTO AND HIS MERRY BAND OF DESPERADO'S!.

[Himaggen]

One can only assume that because D2D is now considered 'workload' a PT does less work ie hours than FT hence why the payment can be pro rata like another poster said already a FT rural driver may only deliver to 250 drops whereas a PT town chap may deliver to 600. The difference is the indoor hours PT must make sure that they do not touch D2D indoors unless they are paid the physical hours to handle them.

So are you suggesting that even though our 32½ hour guys do all of their own prep, redirects, kills, bundling, bagging, weighing and delivering that there would be a slew of F.T running around the D.O when the bundles of D.2.D are put on the 32½ hour P.T's frames throwing them in?

[number one]

EL CARTO

If you were FULL time would you be so vocal for PART timers, is this just a case of sour grapes?

How do you think us elite FULL timers feel, at the moment I get £12 early shift allowence + £33 D2D per week they want to swap this for £20.66 do you really think us full timers would vote for a pay cut??

[eian687]

If this is the real offer and it gets accepted, I can see mass resignations from the CWU and I for one will be 3 pounds a week better off.

£23.60 sounds better

[Godric]

EL CARTO

If you were FULL time would you be so vocal for PART timers, is this just a case of sour grapes?

How do you think us elite FULL timers feel, at the moment I get £12 early shift allowence + £33 D2D per week they want to swap this for £20.66 do you really think us full timers would vote for a pay cut??

don't be so harsh on the boy, he is as bright as a blackout

[stevie247]

As a full timer I will vote no for this agreement not just because it's s**t but the principle of pro rata for AG's on D2D is disgusting and any union official that agreed to it needs to be reprimanded for treating AG's with such contempt. If any one votes yes for this agreement it will be from pure stupidity, if RM really needs to increase D2D to 6 a week why negotiate away the payment for each item surely members would have been better off having 1.67p per item and RM would have been able to make more profit. Greed from RM stupidity from CWU. That's without even starting on no set delivery time which will only allow bully boy DOMs to force unreasonable workloads onto CWU members, or later Saturdays that will impact upon every member not just season ticket holders, or the £12.49 early shift allowance being taken away after promising it as grandfather rights, or paying our lump sum out of our own money.

Please can someone explain to me why the negotiators didn't realise that they were there to represent US.

Spot on

[boged03]

just sounds like we went on strike for nothing that offer is totally a slap in the face of every postman av also heard working longer saturdays absolute joke vote no

[spiderman]

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[eian687]

if this £20.60 D2D supplement!! get voted, in how long be4 the CWU looses it for us in another cock up of an agreement.
they have in all agreement i can remember lost us more than we have gained , gone are saturday allowance , reduced night rates , improved holiday pay and if what is being said now our early shift payments
I THINK THE CWU WILL LOOSE MY UNION FEES AS WELL

[k979aaa]

This has got to be a big wind up, as a quick reckoning now shows me £600 a year worse off. How on earth can that be right?

And it will be more than that lump sum's are sweeteners just to make you all swallow the bitter pill of thousands of pounds lost for ever!.

[Himaggen]

EL CARTO

If you were FULL time would you be so vocal for PART timers, is this just a case of sour grapes?

How do you think us elite FULL timers feel, at the moment I get £12 early shift allowence + £33 D2D per week they want to swap this for £20.66 do you really think us full timers would vote for a pay cut??

Now I'm not taking sides here, but I'm certainly not biased either, therefore based on your figures.

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Your case FT
previously: £12 (early shift) + £33 (D2D) = £45
new: £0 (early shift) + £22.60 (D2D) = £22.60
50% (or net loss of 50%)

32½ hr PT
previously: £10 (early shift) + £33 (D2D) = £43
new: £0 (early shift) + £16.70 (D2D) = £16.70
39% (or net loss of 61%)

Surely you can see that in this case it will be a significantly greater loss to the 32½ hour part timer.

And all of this is still based upon having no more to deliver than we currently do!

[fishtank]

This has got to be a big wind up, as a quick reckoning now shows me £600 a year worse off. How on earth can that be right?

And it will be more than that lump sum's are sweeteners just to make you all swallow the bitter pill of thousands of pounds lost for ever!.

Not to mention what was lost at the gates last year.
For some as much as 20 days pay.
The lump sums barely cover that never mind sweeteners.