What they have agreed so far

[clashcityrocker]

[quote="fishtank"] I know of at least one planner on this forum so maybe he could tell us how much actual walking is in a 4hr park&loop duty and how much mail you would be expected to carry "on the shoulder".
Surely nothing will be carried on the shoulder. You are supposed to have a trolley in the van to use ( along with 3 walks all the packets,tracked ,specials etc).

[creedscat]

It's a good point about the vans creedscat.
This is not a proven delivery method,the trials have been patchy to say the least,the park&loop system was designed for two drivers not one and the feedback at least on this forum is far from positive.J ust what happens if this whole thing fails? Or will it be allowed to fail after spending so much on vans? I know of at least one planner on this forum so maybe he could tell us how much actual walking is in a 4hr park&loop duty and how much mail you would be expected to carry "on the shoulder".
If this system does not produce savings and no matter what people say it will have to eventually or in an even worse scenario COSTS money.Will RM pull the plug on it.
And if they do will we be left with 4 or 4.5 hr deliveries completely "on the shoulder".

I just cannot see where the saving will be made with this "park and loop" idea, because thats the bottom line with RM, cutting costs etc, as they dont give a flying f**k about us as everyone knows. 2 posties in a van with 2 bigger walks between them, more packets and upto 5 lots of D2D's each to deliver in a corsa van??? Basically a corsa car,(poss the smallest car in britain) minus the backseats LOL!! These things break down,need servicing,drink fuel,need insuring,taxing etc etc etc. The Dom also said only walks further than a mile radius from our office with use the park and loop. The other ones will use motorised trollies, whatever the f**k they are. I just think this mad idea is gonna create a hell of alot of problems in the workforce with friction aswell, partners being late for work, knocking up, becoming work shy etc etc nevermind the cost side of it.

[fishtank]

I know of at least one planner on this forum so maybe he could tell us how much actual walking is in a 4hr park&loop duty and how much mail you would be expected to carry "on the shoulder".
Surely nothing will be carried on the shoulder. You are supposed to have a trolley in the van to use ( along with 3 walks all the packets,tracked ,specials etc).

Which one gets to pull the trolley?
Do you take turns?
With all the a*seing about taking trolleys out of vans,loading them up,i presume walking back to the trolley once you have finished your bundle,taking the trolley back to the van ,moving the van and starting again there won't be much time for delivery.

[creedscat]

I know of at least one planner on this forum so maybe he could tell us how much actual walking is in a 4hr park&loop duty and how much mail you would be expected to carry "on the shoulder".
Surely nothing will be carried on the shoulder. You are supposed to have a trolley in the van to use ( along with 3 walks all the packets,tracked ,specials etc).

A trolley in the van???? LOLOLOL!!! and where you gonna put this trolley eh?? the glovebox??

[Exrep]

sorry monkey i no nothink about M/Cs

[leedsgirl]

u keep going on about the lump sum how much will that be and what about these phantom shares we all have that should pay out this year can u answer me that.

[Big Daz]

Phantom shares are a interesting area as it is a GROUP wide scheme and pays out for everyone from Mr Brydon and Mr Crozier down to the rank and file. If there any changes to the shares will it be applicable to everyone or just CWU grades in Letters.

[fishtank]

Phantom shares are a interesting area as it is a GROUP wide scheme and pays out for everyone from Mr Brydon and Mr Crozier down to the rank and file. If there any changes to the shares will it be applicable to everyone or just CWU grades in Letters.

Having taken legal advice it would seem there are a few more "implications" than both the CWU and Royal Mail first imagined but i will keep my own counsel until i see the agreement and the wording therein.

[belle smith]

u keep going on about the lump sum how much will that be and what about these phantom shares we all have that should pay out this year can u answer me that.

The lump sum, and the phantom shares are one and the same thing.

[Godric]

cheers ...

who will qualify for the LUMP sum and D2D payments?

they can stick their d2ds up their arse for all i care ... 3 is more than enough and it will only add more to the already increasing workload expected from us, hayes and ward should try it see how they cope with it to$$ers

[dvbuk55]

I know of at least one planner on this forum so maybe he could tell us how much actual walking is in a 4hr park&loop duty and how much mail you would be expected to carry "on the shoulder".
Surely nothing will be carried on the shoulder. You are supposed to have a trolley in the van to use ( along with 3 walks all the packets,tracked ,specials etc).

A trolley in the van???? LOLOLOL!!! and where you gonna put this trolley eh?? the glovebox??

You LOL too soon - the trolleys, and you get one each, are collapsible golf trolleys, and when I say collapsible, the older ones collapse unintentionally. The original plan was for 20 minute bursts from the vehicle which has apparently now become 40 minute bursts so that the vehicle moves less - keeps the mileage down and they then become more valuable on selling - but of course, all pie in the sky because the packet load increases, both SD and Tracked have to be delivered too.

Still the idea was for weight off the shoulder and therefore the bursts would have meant lighter bags more movement but as in all things RM things change on a whim or whoever is doing the planning at any given time.

[belle smith]

sorry monkey i no nothink about M/Cs

Don't know anything either, but i would assume that the mail center consolidation is also agreed at lots of MC's will go. I'm sure i read somthing on one of dingos post that they were arguing for 5 years MTSF rather than 3. but i think a lot of our colleagues in MC's will go.

Thats the thing about this "libraelistion" it's more like outscoursing.

[dados]

I know of at least one planner on this forum so maybe he could tell us how much actual walking is in a 4hr park&loop duty and how much mail you would be expected to carry "on the shoulder".
Surely nothing will be carried on the shoulder. You are supposed to have a trolley in the van to use ( along with 3 walks all the packets,tracked ,specials etc).

A trolley in the van???? LOLOLOL!!! and where you gonna put this trolley eh?? the glovebox??

You LOL too soon - the trolleys, and you get one each, are collapsible golf trolleys, and when I say collapsible, the older ones collapse unintentionally. The original plan was for 20 minute bursts from the vehicle which has apparently now become 40 minute bursts so that the vehicle moves less - keeps the mileage down and they then become more valuable on selling - but of course, all pie in the sky because the packet load increases, both SD and Tracked have to be delivered too.

Still the idea was for weight off the shoulder and therefore the bursts would have meant lighter bags more movement but as in all things RM things change on a whim or whoever is doing the planning at any given time.

they can go & bollox,i'm not bursting for anyone,i work (&will work)to my time,no clown is gonna look over my shoulder & spout agreement shi£e

[disheartened]

Its all very well having threads entitled what they have agreed so far & what they hav'nt agreed so far,they being Royal Mail & the union,what i think we all want to know is what have the PEC agreed to it.So are the PEC still discussing the deal or have they finished their discussions and voting on it,have any parts of the agreements gone back to RM & Union negotiation teams to be clarified

[monkey76]

sorry monkey i no nothink about M/Cs

OK m8 thanks