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Query about dogs

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harry69
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Query about dogs

Post by harry69 »

Today, as I was delivering to a house that had its front door open but no sign of the occupants, I noticed a fairly large dog at the top of the stairs. It saw me straight away and, as I turned around and tried to calmly negotiate the few feet to the next letterbox at number 10 (the dog came from an upstairs flat - number 10a), I heard it barking and, sure enough, it had followed me and was not at all happy I was trespassing on his property. (I assume he comes from number 10a, although I've never seen him before; but this was also the first time the front door had just been left open). Anyway, after delivering number 10's post, I walked past the dog back down the drive trying, as I remember from training videos, not to convey any hint of fear and prepared to use my pouch as a shield if necessary, where it followed behind me until I reached the pavement.

Now, whilst I wasn't attacked, I'll still be reporting this to my line manager tomorrow morning as I definitely felt threatened by the dog, which I could tell regarded me as a threat by the way it barked continuously and followed me. If a similar incident happens again, would I be within my rights to refuse to deliver to 10a and 10 again (both are accessed by the same driveway) on the grounds that a dog is allowed to roam loose and quite possibly attack someone? Also, what's the score regarding self-defence if I were attacked? I know a dog's nose is a weak spot, and I'd have no hesitation in kicking it in the face if it did launch an assault; but no doubt the RSPCA and the (likely blinkered) owner wouldn't see it that way.
eian687
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Re: Query about dogs

Post by eian687 »

dog out dont go in
el_cartero
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Re: Query about dogs

Post by el_cartero »

kill it tomorrow - u can tear there heart if u pull there from legs - apart- another guy on here done it then threw it over the balcony and continued delvering

good luck
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Re: Query about dogs

Post by fishtank »

el_cartero wrote:kill it tomorrow - u can tear there heart if u pull there from legs - apart- another guy on here done it then threw it over the balcony and continued delvering

good luck

Yeah good luck as your trying to grab it's front paws and it's ripping your throat out. :cuppa
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Re: Query about dogs

Post by el_cartero »

kill any creature that's attacking you in such a way that it might kill you, including dogs.
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harry69
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Re: Query about dogs

Post by harry69 »

eian687 wrote:dog out dont go in
If the front door's left open tomorrow, I'll definitely not be going down the drive. Unfortunately, the dog only spotted me (it was at the top of the stairs) when I got to the door.

Re: the postie who killed a dog - I wouldn't want to try to get hold of its paws if it attacked me! It would be much easier and less risky to kick it on the nose, albeit still risky in itself.
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Re: Query about dogs

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el_cartero wrote:kill it tomorrow - u can tear there heart if u pull there from legs - apart- another guy on here done it then threw it over the balcony and continued delvering

good luck
El, can never tell if you are actually serious. Killing 'it' under these circumstances would be an offence in itself.

Do not enter any driveway or close with a dog loose. No matter what the size, no matter what the breed. Endorse the mail as dog loose, date it and return it. They'll get the message, especially if it affects others without dogs

The dog has every right to protect 'its' pack premises but the owner does not have the right to have their post if they have not put safeguards in place for the safe delivery of mail. Royal Mail do not pay you to be a hero, so just say no!
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Re: Query about dogs

Post by ashadd »

el_cartero wrote:kill it tomorrow - u can tear there heart if u pull there from legs - apart- another guy on here done it then threw it over the balcony and continued delvering

good luck
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Re: Query about dogs

Post by dblad »

And don't believe the owners when they say it won't bite you, I know from experience it will, don't go in.
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Re: Query about dogs

Post by Thunderthighs »

Best use for attacking dogs? Local kebab shop...
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Re: Query about dogs

Post by westlondonpostie »

harry69 wrote:Today, as I was delivering to a house that had its front door open but no sign of the occupants, I noticed a fairly large dog at the top of the stairs. It saw me straight away and, as I turned around and tried to calmly negotiate the few feet to the next letterbox at number 10 (the dog came from an upstairs flat - number 10a), I heard it barking and, sure enough, it had followed me and was not at all happy I was trespassing on his property. (I assume he comes from number 10a, although I've never seen him before; but this was also the first time the front door had just been left open). Anyway, after delivering number 10's post, I walked past the dog back down the drive trying, as I remember from training videos, not to convey any hint of fear and prepared to use my pouch as a shield if necessary, where it followed behind me until I reached the pavement.

Now, whilst I wasn't attacked, I'll still be reporting this to my line manager tomorrow morning as I definitely felt threatened by the dog, which I could tell regarded me as a threat by the way it barked continuously and followed me. If a similar incident happens again, would I be within my rights to refuse to deliver to 10a and 10 again (both are accessed by the same driveway) on the grounds that a dog is allowed to roam loose and quite possibly attack someone? Also, what's the score regarding self-defence if I were attacked? I know a dog's nose is a weak spot, and I'd have no hesitation in kicking it in the face if it did launch an assault; but no doubt the RSPCA and the (likely blinkered) owner wouldn't see it that way.



What ever you do don't try to kick it, you'll only put yourself off balance and I guarantee the dog will be quicker than you!
Best thing to do, is do what the book say's use your pouch as a shield and back away making sure there is no hazard that may trip you up as you go,
Myself I have a pair of Post Office scissors in my pocket, and as I've found out if you hold it in a certain way it is quite an effective knuckle duster, and if needs be it can also be used to stab a dog as a last resort if it attacks you.
gj1023
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Re: Query about dogs

Post by gj1023 »

A Postman/Women has a right to a safe and proper place to deliver a customers mail , if a dog is out or the path is slippery or dug up etc, it is not safe.

I have always said to my customers with dogs I dont trust " if the dog is in , you will get your post, if your dog is out , you wont "
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Re: Query about dogs

Post by krussel »

el_cartero wrote:kill any creature that's attacking you in such a way that it might kill you, including dogs.
:left:

Your mental :left:

Just stay away from the mutt and return the mail endorsed "dog loose"


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Re: Query about dogs

Post by cyclemech1 »

I had similar problem with a dog loose outside 4 flats. I endorsed all the letters 'unable to deliver - dog loose' and returned them all to the office.
The next day the dog wasn't there so I delivered them. Presumably, the owners of the dog and all their neighbours took notice of the endorsments because the dog hasn't been out loose since!
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Re: Query about dogs

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as I remember from training videos, not to convey any hint of fear and prepared to use my pouch as a shield if necessary, where it followed behind me until I reached the pavement.
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