UPDATE FROM HQ

[Danelectro]

Quote Linkin quite rightly points out that postal workers are not to blame for either the comercial loan , the downstream access rip off and the pension crisis. However like most things in industry the workers always suffer.

Why do our UNION except that "WORKERS ALWAYS SUFFER"? Why have they not fought this battle in the public domain before now?? Why not start NOW? Better late than never! The working people of the UK are being ripped off so why not tell them? Most of our own members are not aware about whats at stake and unless our Union do something NOW they will be back for more and we as workers will PAY!

I hate to say this but the industry is in crisis. It is losing revenue as companies get a better deal by downstream access and then using Royal Mail for the final mile. TNT when they introduced walk sequencing the market was still growing . Royal Mail are introducing walk sequencing when the mails market is shirinking. Yes there is noise over traffic decline but over 82% of mail is automated and therefore counted by the mist system which is tested for accuracy every 2 weeks

"The industry is in crisis agreed" but our "service" is not and you and HQ ARE WRONG or rather looking at the problems from just One way and in my view the wrong way! TNT, DHL ect are in crises and yet our service still makes an increasing profit despite all those private firms and Government ripping the arse out of our "service" and stealing money from our "service" hand over fist. Just think if we were not paying for a tax on pensions, Government had paid their shaire, giving money to DSA and paying for a loan we never should have taken if the above lot had not STOLEN from our "service"! No other "service" makes MONEY but the city men saw away to make cash and make cash they did (Where do ex Government people go when they have finished ripping of the public?) A UNION MUST FIGHT FOR ITS MEMBERS AND CWU HAVE AND WILL FAIL ITS MEMBERS UNTIL IT ADDRESSES THE ISSUES THAT HAVE CAUSED AND ARE CAUSING ANY CRISIS IN THE POSTAL INDUSTRY BEFORE JUMPING IN TO BED WITH THE ENEMY! Enemy they are if they want to STEAL from me and my mates and customers / owners (the people). Again HQ fail to see the wood through the tree`s and because of it the parasites will be back for more. Automation is a different issue that has been lumped on us to try to fix a problem that will not go away because HQ and some well meaning but blinkered senior REPs have allowed to happen! Maybe our POLITICAL MASTERS in "NEW LIEBOUR" have issued their instructions? DONT ROCK THE BOAT AND OUR GRAVY TRAIN? I say deal with the cause of the illness first and when thats done cure for once and for all, do not treat just the symptons!

Cheers for that last two posts Linkin-I nearly forgot what doing the right thing was by the middle of this thread!,the whole thing started resemble that 'mind bending graph document' leaked from Royal Mail.Its not impossible to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat yet...

[Stormproof]

It is losing revenue as companies get a better deal by downstream access

WHY DON'T HQ DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT THEN FFS!!

[Puppetmaster]

Since it looks like CWU have agreed to longer deliveries,can I ASK 1 Question the CWU should be in possesion of after agreeing to such.

Where Can I Find RM risk assessment on the effects of longer deliveries upon its workers.
Surley these must Exsist.
I am not just talking about using Trolleys to take the weight your back,or toilet places as soon we may have vans.

What are the risks on walking posties Back ,Neck ,knees ,and feet,and walking up to miles a week.

Sureley before recomending anything the CWU should be in possesion of all the facts and have them checked out.

Many guys in our office ,are saying they physicaly will not be able to do longer extedded walks,as walks already are long,and many suffer from health problems.

[bwfcmaddog]

Since it looks like CWU have agreed to longer deliveries,can I ASK 1 Question the CWU should be in possesion of after agreeing to such.

Where Can I Find RM risk assessment on the effects of longer deliveries upon its workers.
Surley these must Exsist.
I am not just talking about using Trolleys to take the weight your back,or toilet places as soon we may have vans.

What are the risks on walking posties Back ,Neck ,knees ,and feet,and walking up to miles a week.

Sureley before recomending anything the CWU should be in possesion of all the facts and have them checked out.

Many guys in our office ,are saying they physicaly will not be able to do longer extedded walks,as walks already are long,and many suffer from health problems.

your bloody rite every person in my Do are working on there last legs why cant Rm and cwu see this ???

[Martin Walsh]

Linkin I have to ask you where have you been we have had a number of campaigns against regulation which got the commitment in the labour manifesto to a review into unfair competition which became the hooper report. This report got hijacked by mandleson and his desire to privatise the industry. This so called hopeless union defeated this plan by getting the labour party mps against it. This so called useless union has now stopped privatisation 3 times. British telecom before privatisation had 200000 workers now they have 60 000 .

In terms of pensions the union has pushed this issue time and again we have had lobby after lobby at the commons but you must know it is a political hot potato! Public spending is out of control yet we want the government to take on 10 billion and growing defcit. As much as we have a case , it is not an attractive proposition for an outgoing government.

So we have to deal with the fall out of both unfair competition and the fact for every pound royal mail make 30 pence goes to plug the pension defecit. It is easy to have a slogan to solve those issues it's a dam sight harder to achieve it.

In the meantime you either want the union to deal with the changes you are going to face or you want the union to stand on the sidelines and let royal mail introduce the change into your office without an agreement

for god sake you have not even seen the agreement and yet some are calling it a sell out ! Well where was your office in terms of striking when they were putting longer spans , to many part time staff , geo route revisions , to big a budget cuts and car derived vans or was that the thought of Cwu headquaters as well. I tell you where I was I was helping lead one of the biggest and longest strike this union has seen .

This union has to many people who play the blame game . That everyone else is to blame except yourself. Well the stength of this union has always been that some offices are wiling to fight for a better deal ! Which camp are some of you in?

[fishtank]

Since it looks like CWU have agreed to longer deliveries,can I ASK 1 Question the CWU should be in possesion of after agreeing to such.

Where Can I Find RM risk assessment on the effects of longer deliveries upon its workers.
Surley these must Exsist.
I am not just talking about using Trolleys to take the weight your back,or toilet places as soon we may have vans.

What are the risks on walking posties Back ,Neck ,knees ,and feet,and walking up to miles a week.

Sureley before recomending anything the CWU should be in possesion of all the facts and have them checked out.

Many guys in our office ,are saying they physicaly will not be able to do longer extedded walks,as walks already are long,and many suffer from health problems.

Well puppetmaster the Truth wrote,
"Now with regards to heath and safety reports all the information and adivice including tests show that it is worse to walk 3.5 hours with a bag on your shoulder than 4 hours without a bag on your shoulder. Thats why Royal Mail are introducing car derived vans , and HCTs as the only delivery methods in the future thereby removing the bag on the shoulder method."

So maybe it's time to see those H&S reports.
Of course these tests were done over a short space of time and for 4hr deliveries.
It would be interesting to see some for 4.15 and 4.30 as well.

[phantomshare]

Dingo,

Are the Div reps still getting briefed tomorrow?

[Big Daz]

dingo

I'll tell where I was, I was in a D.O that did not have any issues serious enough to take local IA. We had, not had any EA what so ever. None was planned either. However we were up for a national ballot on national issues (Phase 4) with more support for the eventual strike in terms of OPG's/members staying away from work than 2007.

[BELIAL]

In terms of pensions the union has pushed this issue time and again we have had lobby after lobby at the commons but you must know it is a political hot potato! Public spending is out of control yet we want the government to take on 10 billion and growing defcit. As much as we have a case , it is not an attractive proposition for an outgoing government.

And the reason public spending is rocketing is because we are giving taxpayers money, hand over fist to financial organisations that were bankrupt due to their own idiocy and corruption. And yet 10's of 1000's of these bent and incompetent traders are allowed to continue with this worldwide fraud and will each got bonuses in excess of £1,000,000 straight from our pockets. Sorry Dingo I think our case for the pensions we were promised is a lot more deserving than any fat cat city traders benefit bonus cheque. By error or omission you are helping to screw us ordinary folk into the ground for the benefit of wealthy parasites

[Big Daz]

In terms of pensions the union has pushed this issue time and again we have had lobby after lobby at the commons but you must know it is a political hot potato! Public spending is out of control yet we want the government to take on 10 billion and growing defcit. As much as we have a case , it is not an attractive proposition for an outgoing government.

And the reason public spending is rocketing is because we are giving taxpayers money, hand over fist to financial organisations that were bankrupt due to their own idiocy and corruption. And yet 10's of 1000's of these bent and incompetent traders are allowed to continue with this worldwide fraud and will each got bonuses in excess of £1,000,000 straight from our pockets. Sorry Dingo I think our case for the pensions we were promised is a lot more deserving than any fat cat city traders benefit bonus cheque. By error or omission you are helping to screw us ordinary folk into the ground for the benefit of wealthy parasites

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7:52pm UK, Wednesday February 24, 2010

Ed Merrison, Sky News Online
Bailed-out bank RBS has confirmed it has been given the Government's consent to hand out £1.3bn in bonuses to its investment bankers.

[numan]

Well the stength of this union has always been that some offices are wiling to fight for a better deal ! Which camp are some of you in?

Our office has always been in the former camp, however, we were utterly shafted by union HQ when they sold the 2007 agreement to the majority of the members (which many in our office voted against). Don't you think HQ should shoulder any blame for that Dingo and that many members are entitled to feel aggrieved?

[Martin Walsh]

Dingo,

Are the Div reps still getting briefed tomorrow?

The divisional reps have been called to a meeting at the tuc tomorrow where they will be addressed by mark higson .

[Big Daz]

The yes votes did not take a majority of the ballot papers despatched in 2007 for the pay and mod agreement did they?

Therefore its whole mandate was very shaky right from the start.

I propose the new agreement does not be considred as having a yes vote if the yes votes do not command a majority of ballot papers despatched.

[axeman]

As i read the posts of 'dingo' with his best intentions he's seems ready to roll over at the slightest thing if royal fail thump the table not quite the fighting spirit of a true union is it ?

[phantomshare]

thanks for the info, Hopefully some official info will be released tomorrow then.