UPDATE FROM HQ

[pickaname]

The biggest scale of change will be the exodus from the CWU if they screw this deal up

[theeggster]

The biggest scale of change will be the exodus from the CWU if they screw this deal up

Amen

[pjthebear]

This was circulated on friday from our div rep




Dear All,
latest update on National negotiations.

The national negotiatons are expected to conclude, with an agreement, sometime next week.

Your branches will be advised of the terms of the agreement and balloting procedures in due course.

We are not aware of any details at this stage. This is because the independent parties (ACAS & Roger Poole) have insisted on confidentiality until the negotiations are concluded.

AS soon as we have more information it will be circulated.

[heapsy]

Dingo,are you saying they still haven't agreed how we're going to work fewer saturdays??

NO fewer saturdays have been agreed. What they want to work up is a menu of options so delivery units can choose the best option which suits the workers within that unit.

Yes fishtank I do care to explain. In a mail centre in future due to one outward plan work wont come into delivery units as early as it use to , equally when you have walk sequencing 40% of your work wont come into your unit until it has been walk sequenced.

No its not in the agreement but when you do a revision it is normally based on the facts on the ground and if you dont have any work or you have reduced work before 0600 then you dont normally plan for hours before 0600.

Well that's just fine dingo because we already have walk sequencing and as well as 1 feed during the night our first batch of sequenced arrives at 4.50 with our second 40% arriving at 6.25 so it's all good and the facts on the ground say i will still be required to start at 5.00.
So the question is (and this is not aimed at you dingo)
Why has the union decided to capture my EARLY SHIFT ALLOWANCE and NOT the driving allowance.

There may be some confusion here. The driving allowance was maintained for those staff who performed driving duties at the time of the Way Forward agreement. People who perform driving duties now, but did not do so at the time of the Way Forward agreement DO NOT get the allowance. This also applies to the former PHG posts. Only staff performing PHG duties at the time of the Way Forward agreement receive those payments. Newer staff in delivery usually start later than 06.00hrs, thus they do NOT receive this payment. However, it is MY opinion, that IF we were to lose the early shift allowance for some reason, then the PHG payment of £20 should also be thrown into the pot for redistirdution, as it were.

[Glenno]

All is quiet on the eastern front since this is SUPPOSED to be the last day of negotion- dialogue
what the fook is happening / has happened ???????????? maybe Dingo/ Lovejoy might care to
inform us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i hope so!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Martin Walsh]

Talks conclude for tonight , no agreement but very close. Divisonal Reps , regional secretaries called to a briefing this Thursday at the TUC which will also be adrressed Mark Higson.

[Glenno]

Cheers for that Dingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[k979aaa]

Talks conclude for tonight , no agreement but very close. Divisonal Reps , regional secretaries called to a briefing this Thursday at the TUC which will also be adrressed Mark Higson.

So will we hear something Friday or next week for this is dragging on longer than pop idol!.

[pjthebear]

Dingo are the talks concluded tomorrow or not? You now state that "in the next three weeks" & "to go out to ballot with the the new agreement" does that mean the talks are not concluded tomorrow and we now have another three weeks to wait to see the "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed" agreement?

I mean we've waited for much more than 3 months so another 3 weeks doesn't seem that long IF we are given a concrete reason why these talks are stalled.

No Tomorrow is the crunch date for whether an agreement is concluded or not. However if there is an agreement then further guidelines have to be agreed and worked up on car derived vans , standards , menu for less saturdays , improved attendances and a couple of others. This will all be covered within the main agreement but the details on these will be worked up.

Even if there is an agreement by tomorrow I doubt if the ballot for the members will commence much before the end of march for a number of reasons , the PEC will decide , the divisonal reps will be consulted , national and regional briefings will be held , the agreement will be sent out to all members and prepartion for the ballot will have to take place with popluaris running the independent ballot. Of course this will allow all these issues to be agreed as well and Branch"s to hold meetings on whether they will recommend to their members to accept or reject it.

[wardroom]

Talks conclude for tonight , no agreement but very close. Divisonal Reps , regional secretaries called to a briefing this Thursday at the TUC which will also be adrressed Mark Higson.

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[donut]

Talks conclude for tonight , no agreement but very close. Divisonal Reps , regional secretaries called to a briefing this Thursday at the TUC which will also be adrressed Mark Higson.

No agreement but very close ?? ....ooohh, is it closer than the time before when they were close ...or is it closer than last weeks closeness or the week before`s closeness-nss ??

[Yahoorsur]

Talks conclude for tonight , no agreement but very close. Divisonal Reps , regional secretaries called to a briefing this Thursday at the TUC which will also be adrressed Mark Higson.

No agreement but very close ?? ....ooohh, is it closer than the time before when they were close ...or is it closer than last weeks closeness or the week before`s closeness-nss ??

or is it 'Closer Than Close'? Maybe we should get Rosie Gaines in to sing to them

[pjthebear]

Say hi to mark for me. And ask him how many millions he going mug out of royal mail!!

[Stormproof]

Talks conclude for tonight , no agreement but very close. Divisonal Reps , regional secretaries called to a briefing this Thursday at the TUC which will also be adrressed Mark Higson.

[beaney]

PEC meeting again next week 2nd and 3rd of March