UPDATE FROM HQ

[fishtank]

Just a thought,If say for argument sake you get 20 mins per day in your workload for D2D.
I wonder what will happen if you don't get any D2Ds that week?
The words absorbtion and flexibiliy spring to mind.

[chewi]

am i alone in thinking that the rules say that all items of D2D should hit the mat seperately i.e.not be folded into one? If i'm right on this then IPS time should still be a good part of duty time. Anyway our DOM(who i talk to with a long spoon) reckons WSM only saves 20 minutes a duty a day.

yes, i think this is current royalmail policy. They would obviously have to change their policy for D2Ds to come bundled as one item. I can't see why that would present a problem though.

If D2D comes in one wrapper then it's one item not 6 or 10 or 5000. Own goal is the phrase that comes to mind (similar to 5 day deliveries)

[jobies]

If later Saturdays come in with this agreement then at least 10 people in my office will leave the business.Is it legal to change an employee's contract by changing the hours so much ? In my office we still have Saturday schedule and work 5 til 12. Some of the guys only get there children on a Saturday afternoon as they are seperated from partner,others have season tickets for football and some have golf memberships etc.there is no chance that these guys will get a saturday off every week.
There is no way our office will vote anything in that means a later Saturday and I'm sure most Scottish offices will feel the same,I can just picture the first time we have an old firm game on a Saturday with a 12.30 kick off.more sickies than people turning up for work.

[bampot]

If later Saturdays come in with this agreement then at least 10 people in my office will leave the business.Is it legal to change an employee's contract by changing the hours so much ? In my office we still have Saturday schedule and work 5 til 12. Some of the guys only get there children on a Saturday afternoon as they are seperated from partner,others have season tickets for football and some have golf memberships etc.there is no chance that these guys will get a saturday off every week.
There is no way our office will vote anything in that means a later Saturday and I'm sure most Scottish offices will feel the same,I can just picture the first time we have an old firm game on a Saturday with a 12.30 kick off.more sickies than people turning up for work.

Old Firm games are on Sundays at 1230 kick off!

[Danelectro]

am i alone in thinking that the rules say that all items of D2D should hit the mat seperately i.e.not be folded into one? If i'm right on this then IPS time should still be a good part of duty time. Anyway our DOM(who i talk to with a long spoon) reckons WSM only saves 20 minutes a duty a day.

in trials a couple of years ago i think the walk sequenced mail only saved 10 mins prep time on each duty.the 20 mins is what royal mail wanted it to be.

[MinisterofCucumber]

Jobies wrote: "Is it legal to change an employee's contract by changing the hours so much ?"

The contract can be changed by collective bargaining and the Labour government are using the CWU to screw us.

The deceiver Mandelson has been bringing in processes that will turn us into serfs. Our children and their children will suffer because of the actions of an unelected liar who has no children. I saw him on the box this morning and it was a real effort not to punch the screen in. In the olden days, they would have chopped off his head long ago. I'm just hoping he pisses off Al Quaeda.

:mfo

[BELIAL]

I think we need to find out when and if theses D2D's are going to be in sleeves or not.
If they are in sleeves then yes it's easier to prep.
If they are as they are now,then we're going to be f****d.

Postman...You've hit the nail on the head...This is the KEY element of D2D into workload. They have to come pre wrapped as 1 item. anything else will be a disaster and completely un workable.

Have to say you really are clutching at straws if you think D2D will ever come pre-packed. "just tell them we are looking into pre-packing ,they'll swallow it then"
Why not?
RM investing in more new machinery to make your job easier? Costs them nothing to get you to do it.
Advertisers don't want their promo stuff bundled with others ,don't forget some are paying well over 6p an item right now ,much more than they pay for a magazine insert.
Don't think there is a machine in the land that could prepare and package the variety of crap that we deliver ,leaflets ;pens ;sachets ;boxes ;magazines;plastic bags.

I just feel sorry for the first poor bugger who ends up working unpaid till midnight or conduct coded because he was snowed under with 20 disparate D2D's in one week. Most of us know that with RM if it can happen it will happen

[pickaname]

Why would companies want D2D packed in one sleeve?

It just makes it easier for the recipient to throw it away en masse without looking at them.

In any case, it is currently a no no to put D2Ds inside each other in my office for the very same reason.

Example: During the euro election some people put BNP leaflets into the local council magazine. The effect was robust complaints as you can imagine.

D2Ds will never arrive at your frame pre packed.

[Big Daz]

But as soon as the loan is paid back there will be around £260 million less a year leaving RM bank account, money that can be spent on giving CWU members the high quality terms and conditions of employment they deserve !!!

[Tman]

"MinisterofCucumber"]Jobies wrote: "Is it legal to change an employee's contract by changing the hours so much ?"

The contract can be changed by collective bargaining and the Labour government are using the CWU to screw us.

That's being a little hysterical. Any employer has the legal right to change working hours as they see fit, and the only thing up for discussion is how much notice/compensation they feel obliged to give.
Apparently three months notice is the generally-accepted minimum period, but as many found out in car factories etc at the start of the last/current recession, it can be as little as "from next Monday".

[banner18]

D2D come prepacked in many other countries, why is it so unbelievable that it could happen here? I was under the impression that the bundle would collapse once posted, spreading the D2Ds. Also, most people bundle their D2Ds together now, its just a fact and it will always go on.

[fishtank]

What or who can change a contract of employment?
Either you or your employer might want to change your employment contract. However, neither you or your employer can change your employment contract without each other's agreement. Changes should normally be made after negotiation and agreement.

Changes to employment contracts could be made by:
agreement between you and your employer
collective agreement - this is a negotiation between your employer and a trade union or staff association
implication - that is through a change in long standing custom and practice (for example if your employer allows all employees a day off each year for New Year's Eve)
If a collective agreement makes a change to employment contracts, the change will still apply to you even if you are not a member of the trade union or staff association

What if you and your employer don't agree?
If you don't agree, your employer is not allowed to just bring in a change. However, they can terminate your contract (by giving notice) and offer you a new one including the revised terms - effectively sacking you and taking you back on. Your employer would be expected to follow a statutory minimum dismissal procedure. They may have to follow a collective redundancy consultation process if they plan to do this to a group of employees.

If this situation happens in your workplace, you should contact the Advisory, Conciliation and Arbitration Service (Acas) or another advice service for further guidance.
If you don't accept the new contract - or if you've accepted the new one but feel there was no good reason for ending the old one - you have the right to make an unfair dismissal claim provided you've at least one year of continuous service with your employer. You may also be able to claim redundancy if you have at least two years service.

This is the down side
If there is a sound business reason for the change, and your employer has properly consulted you and looked into any alternatives, you could find it difficult to win your claim.

Not exactly "as they see fit" Tman but the end result may be the same.

[Spartacus]

Just a couple of questions for Dingo.

If D2D goes into workload will it have a different prep rate than normal mail?
If so what's the difference going to be?

Are the CWU going to be recognizing the "Indoor Workload tool" or are we going to have a nationally agreed rate for indoor work, prep and IPS particularly?

What's going to happen to election payments, stay the same, uniform across the country or absorbed with D2D?

Will the delivery supplement be 100% pensionable, partially pensionable or non pensionable?

Will the delivery supplement be payable 52 weeks a year regardless of sickness?

Will drivers who currently receive the £6 allowance retain that or will it be built into the delivery supplement?

[Silence]

I'd imagine 'packaged' D2Ds would come in the form of a strip of brown paper that would loosely hold the D2Ds together when delivering, but would easily fall apart when shoved through the letter box.

[GHOSTman]

I think we need to find out when and if theses D2D's are going to be in sleeves or not.
If they are in sleeves then yes it's easier to prep.
If they are as they are now,then we're going to be f****d.

Postman...You've hit the nail on the head...This is the KEY element of D2D into workload. They have to come pre wrapped as 1 item. anything else will be a disaster and completely un workable.

Have to say you really are clutching at straws if you think D2D will ever come pre-packed. "just tell them we are looking into pre-packing ,they'll swallow it then"
Why not?
RM investing in more new machinery to make your job easier? Costs them nothing to get you to do it.
Advertisers don't want their promo stuff bundled with others ,don't forget some are paying well over 6p an item right now ,much more than they pay for a magazine insert.
Don't think there is a machine in the land that could prepare and package the variety of crap that we deliver ,leaflets ;pens ;sachets ;boxes ;magazines;plastic bags.

I just feel sorry for the first poor bugger who ends up working unpaid till midnight or conduct coded because he was snowed under with 20 disparate D2D's in one week. Most of us know that with RM if it can happen it will happen

Hey, Belial, I'm not exactly expecting D2D's to come pre-packed, Just discussing it because it has been talked about as something that could happen. I'll only believe it when I see it....I know this will probably never happen with royalmail . So we are back to needing more hours put back into offices to cope with D2D into workload....I know what the next point will be...Royalmail will never put hours back in. Well, ok then....they'll pay for D2D into workload some where along the line....I for one won't work past my time because I've had to prep 6 D2Ds. So they'll have to get someone doing the bit I leave on overtime.