UPDATE FROM HQ

[Danelectro]

I guarantee you now,there will not be a single revision in the country that will take into account D2D's and walks made smaller.
20% a day is what we roughly do at my place,and when the new deal comes in we will do..........wait for it...........20% a day.

this d2d into workload looks as if its gonna be as popular as pork scratchings in a jewish theme bar.

[motherhubbard]

But the outdoor work is only half the job.
Of course we need that to be tested independantly. But there is no point having the walks sorted if you can't get out on time because the prep rate is unrealistic and unachievable.
Like Fishtank said earlier the work needs to be fair and achievable - indoors AND oudoors.

[axeman]

'Dingo' i'm all in favour of royal fail hiring a seperate work force to do d2d ... WHY in all honesty do you think they'd do that they would lose far to much in the revenue to warant a seperate work force, administration would eat up any profit it is really time the 'cwu' got things in to perspective not try to frighten the very people who pay the wages of ''our'' elected people.

I do have some one very close to where i live who delivers d2d items for a private contractor and i can tell you they 'pay far more per item' than royal fail
time i think to get in a team who 'will' look after our intrests as i'm very concerned that 'our' team aren't really up to the job in hand

a proposal like this will lead to a great divide in the work force as one of my colegues said why should i get paid the same and deliver twice as many ~(very unhappy guy) and what of the offices that by the geographical nature of the delivery area only do a rural jobs and they will obtain the same payment as a town walker with 700/800 cals

[hazzeem025]

I guarantee you now,there will not be a single revision in the country that will take into account D2D's and walks made smaller.
20% a day is what we roughly do at my place,and when the new deal comes in we will do..........wait for it...........20% a day.

this is the bit that worries me, the 20% a day figure. my rep reckons that the managment/union will eventually want a 100% call rate everyday, so i'm presuming they mean thats one lot of d2ds per day? so i suppose if your'e doing one lot a day it removes the prepping or putting together of the say 3 items you get now, so all you should need to do is put (the one lot) in your frame which takes 15mins? as for the 100% call rate my rep reckons if thats the end goal of it all it makes workload planning easier?

I can't see RM letting you sit there day in day out prepping 20% of your 6 lots of d2d as part of your duty time?

The other thing that i think would be fairer is why not pay people for the first 3 lots of d2d? , if the union and management are so confident that this is the growth area?

I know dingo (by the way thanks for the updates) says that some offices only receive 1 lot a week others 2 but up here we receive 3 lots 95% of the time, so anyone of us with over 480 drops on their duty who has 3 lots 0f d2d will lose out every week because of the proposal over d2d.

its all abit bonkers

[POSTMAN]

I think we need to find out when and if theses D2D's are going to be in sleeves or not.
If they are in sleeves then yes it's easier to prep.
If they are as they are now,then we're going to be f****d.

Also,i'm guesing we're not going to get away with the 100% call rate a day thing.

We need answers on the above and well tbh much much more on the subject before we vote! Clear guidelines,the lot!

[GHOSTman]

On door 2 door into workload, i think we're all agreed that there is no way royalmail will put in enough hours to allow us to comfortably prep 3 - 6 sets, lets take 6 sets for a 600+ delivery....you'll probably need a minimum of 90 mins extra prep over the week, possibly 2 hours. On the other hand, if all six items were to come in one pre wrapped envelope...I'd say you could prep 600 items in 30mins max....far more achievable into work load in my opinion. Does anyone think royalmail will pursue this idea that has been talked about in the past? surely that would be a win win situation. We take six sets, but only have to prep 1 item per slot, we get paid a weekly supplement, we get extra time to prep, say 30 mins a week. Royalmail get the revenue from six sets. Plus we could also share in any revenue growth from the product as a rise in the supplement. Am I missing something here?

[GHOSTman]

I think we need to find out when and if theses D2D's are going to be in sleeves or not.
If they are in sleeves then yes it's easier to prep.
If they are as they are now,then we're going to be f****d.

Postman...You've hit the nail on the head...This is the KEY element of D2D into workload. They have to come pre wrapped as 1 item. anything else will be a disaster and completely un workable.

[chewi]

am i alone in thinking that the rules say that all items of D2D should hit the mat seperately i.e.not be folded into one? If i'm right on this then IPS time should still be a good part of duty time. Anyway our DOM(who i talk to with a long spoon) reckons WSM only saves 20 minutes a duty a day.

[HANDS]

Sometimes you have to trust and read between the lines.

Believe me on delivery , we are touching distance away from a deal including the benefits. Yes it does include 75 /25 full time /part time mix. It does include less saturdays for all delivery staff , it does include a massive increase in take home money and it does include d2d into workload and it does include agreements on geo route etc.

Work still needs to be done else where on processing and network on the benefits.

Plus the shorter working week we are still apart by and appox an hour but your be glad we are not going down the net working week option.

What does concern me is that some of you read an ltb which is quite bland for obvious reasons but states some strong principles and yet some are now saying the unions sold out.

Lets get one thing straight Royal Mail wanted to destroy the union last year. They failed.

Some posters said that Royal Mail just wanted to get past Christmas and then introduce their plan without the unions involvement. It has not happened.

The fact is that the Union has always faced an issue , you might not accept this but its clear that the amount of mech which is now done has decreased IPS. 5 years ago it was less than 60% nationally now it is 82%.

In the future under walk sequencing prep will also be quicker because it will be sequenced. These machines will run 6 days per week. So Saturdays will be effected , not everyone will work till 3 or even 2 but some will . The job is changing , you can either live in denial or recogonise that Royal Mail have purchased the machines for close on a billion pounds and are not going to agree they cannot run all machineable mail on them 6 days per week.

The union is a demorcacy so you will have a chance to say yes or no after you read the agreement. But for god sake some of the rubbish I have seen posted on here about rummours including monthly pay etc is so far of the mark , its no wonder that Roger Poole and ACAS have demanded that nothing is officially said.

Believe me , the deal is coming and it is going to be a complex and detailed deal which should be judged on the detail. At this moment no one should be in either the yes camp or the no camp cause you have not seen the agreement.

Yes by all means I accept your frustrated by the fact that you want more detail but the union has no choice but to observe the mandatory rule of no comms on the details.

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[GHOSTman]

am i alone in thinking that the rules say that all items of D2D should hit the mat seperately i.e.not be folded into one? If i'm right on this then IPS time should still be a good part of duty time. Anyway our DOM(who i talk to with a long spoon) reckons WSM only saves 20 minutes a duty a day.

yes, i think this is current royalmail policy. They would obviously have to change their policy for D2Ds to come bundled as one item. I can't see why that would present a problem though.

[fishtank]

am i alone in thinking that the rules say that all items of D2D should hit the mat seperately i.e.not be folded into one? If i'm right on this then IPS time should still be a good part of duty time. Anyway our DOM(who i talk to with a long spoon) reckons WSM only saves 20 minutes a duty a day.

yes, i think this is current royalmail policy. They would obviously have to change their policy for D2Ds to come bundled as one item. I can't see why that would present a problem though.

Customers GHOSTman,the ones that pay Royal Mail to deliver it.
It's their product and they do not want it in a handy easy to throw away sleeve bundled with five others.

[HANDS]

From what dingo has just posted, does that mean we're into these 10 day fornite thingys or evern 4 day weeks, for some of us?

9 day fortnights and 4 day week options will be an option and the 9day fortnight option provides one in four saturdays off and the 4 day week one in three saturdays off.

Whoppee,1 saturday in 3 etc etc, dont u understand people dont even mind saturdays as long as they can wrap things up 1 clock latest, so they can at least do some things with there family, every sat, not 1 in 3!!! Early SAt finishes the very very least that the Union needs to deliver!!

[Eric]

We are losing billions through DSA and Royal Mail's pathetic answer is to increase revenue by delivering more tat that most people don't want, and, of course, our union goes along with them. It is obviously easier to compete against the schoolkids and illegal immigrants who are competing to deliver this crap than against TNT, DHL etc at the other end of the market. Pitiful!

[GHOSTman]

am i alone in thinking that the rules say that all items of D2D should hit the mat seperately i.e.not be folded into one? If i'm right on this then IPS time should still be a good part of duty time. Anyway our DOM(who i talk to with a long spoon) reckons WSM only saves 20 minutes a duty a day.

yes, i think this is current royalmail policy. They would obviously have to change their policy for D2Ds to come bundled as one item. I can't see why that would present a problem though.

Customers GHOSTman,the ones that pay Royal Mail to deliver it.
It's their product and they do not want it in a handy easy to throw away sleeve bundled with five others.

if it has to be 6 seperate d2d's into work load....housten....we have a problem.

[GHOSTman]

As a lot of people on here have said, D2D is the small issue in terms of Royalmail finances, The BIG issue is pensions deficet and DSA. The more I think about it I'm starting to believe the theory of The government being complicite in running the company down and slashing jobs / services. Then selling it off to TNT and getting out of having to deal with pensions.