Campaigners unite to combat fascism

[DGP1]

IWW given the dire history of communism,how can any self respecting person be they black,white or any other colour be a member of the communist party or any of its affiliations?

You could be in for a rather long wait for a reply, but I'm sure the silence will be filled with the usual (and standard) replies. You may even strike lucky and get those top-class cliches like "poltroon" "lackey" and "capitalist lap-dog"
{Oblique references to some obscure 1920s Eastern European pamphleteer coming anytime now....}

If I make a reference to the Nazis will that make this thread finish (Godwin's law)

The difference between Griffin and Adams/Maginnis/Mandela is that the latter changed their views to one of inclusion whereas Griffin still has his a policy of exclusion.

[clashcityrocker]

The difference between Griffin and Adams/Maginnis/Mandela is that the latter changed their views to one of inclusion whereas Griffin still has his a policy of exclusion.

DGP for all the flashing macs and smutty comments you have truly hit the nail on the head.
The issue is one of inclusion.
Do we want to live in a society that celebrates difference, that recognizes the enormous benefits that different cultures can bring or do we want to exclude and treat some people like second class citizens?
And the use of the word "terrorist" in relation to the ANC is pointless and stupid.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The fight against the apartheid regime was a just and noble cause.
Next we'll have people calling Churchill a terrorist.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

TBT you cant equate griffin with mandela or adams and Mcguinness,as they were terrorists, who have killed innocent men,women and children for a political agenda.griffin hasnt.

Sorry I think you misunderstood my post and I caused offence I apologise. I equated Griffin going from NF to BNP as a change of clothes only (like some in the IRA joining Sinn Fein in the 70s) I did not mean to call him a terrorist.

IWW given the dire history of communism,how can any self respecting person be they black,white or any other colour be a member of the communist party or any of its affiliations?

How about the German Nazi Party, Italian fascists of the 30s. The Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists. The Ustasa in Croatia - all these parties at some point called themselves Nationalists by dint of your logic does that mean people should not join the BNP because of the history of Nationalist parties is not very rosy, just like the communists.

having read many of your posts ,TBT,CCR and IWW I presume you are labour supporters and voters,if so,may i refer you to my post made earlier and answer the question.I look forward to your replies.

Actually no, I am at present unaffiliated, and I am not a member of any political party or grouping.

Although I do tend to be to the left of the political spectrum I am probably more of a Green Socialist than Labour who I despise. But I do have some right wing leanings as well. FI I think the Tax system should be simplified with a flat single rate of tax whatever you get paid, with maybe 1 further step for the obscenely rich. All the loopholes that the rich jump through would be closed and by dint of being paid more they would pay more tax.

This also leads to having a simpler tax system which would cost less to administrate , which leads nicely to my other view that I would much prefer a smaller government that is more representative. Big government which Liebour likes has introduced less representation but more committees, quangos and departments. A smaller government would cost less to run would still have 2 houses of parliament, but less committees, quangos etc.

[clashcityrocker]

having read many of your posts ,TBT,CCR and IWW I presume you are labour supporters and voters,if so,may i refer you to my post made earlier and answer the question.I look forward to your replies.

I am sometimes a Labour voter but only a tactical voter not a supporter.
I used to be a Green Anarchist, sometime Green Maoist until the split to form the Green Titoists. But always an anti-fascist.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

having read many of your posts ,TBT,CCR and IWW I presume you are labour supporters and voters,if so,may i refer you to my post made earlier and answer the question.I look forward to your replies.

I am sometimes a Labour voter but only a tactical voter not a supporter.
I used to be a Green Anarchist, sometime Green Maoist until the split to form the Green Titoists. But always an anti-fascist.

Splitter

[robinhood]

hi true blue
just a little correction over 600 not 300 at UAF conference i was there.
thanx for posting m8ty
also
can individuals stand fur ec electons?
cheers robinhood

ps do you know where i can find that conscience cause q and a article that was issued b4?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

hi true blue
just a little correction over 600 not 300 at UAF conference i was there.

The quote is from Morning star but I think we have other reports on here that match your figures.

thanx for posting m8ty
also
can individuals stand fur ec electons?

Yes anyone can but TBH without backing from a recognised party it would be difficult to get known enough to campaign successfully especially with the area of the EC constituencies.

cheers robinhood

ps do you know where i can find that conscience cause q and a article that was issued b4?

No. 257/’09
Ref: LR/DGN
Date: 19th March 2009

To: All Branches

Dear Colleague

Conscience Clause


The Race Advisory Committee has recently been discussing the issue of the BNP and their likely efforts to increase their votes before the European elections. As a consequence of these discussions the issue of the ‘conscience clause’ was raised and the need to make all postal workers, particularly those who work on delivery, aware of the ‘conscience clause’ which allows a delivery person the right to refuse to deliver election material, if the material they are delivering, is considered to be offensive due to personal circumstances or beliefs or where an individual believes that delivery of a particular item may incur personal risk. However the CWU fully recognises the legal obligation placed upon the business to deliver all mail, including election material and that we will do all we can to ensure that the legal obligations are met whilst at the same time enabling those individuals who have a genuine problem to retain their dignity and for the issue to be dealt with in a fair and sensible manner.


The European elections are due to take place in early June so we can expect campaign material to begin circulating well in advance of this period.


The CWU are very keen to ensure that our members know their rights in this respect and any queries in relation to this matter should be raised with Bob Gibson’s department. We would refer you to LTB 172/05, which was sent out previously on this issue and this covers in details the agreements struck with the business in this regard. As a reminder to our members, it should be noted that the objective of the agreement is to avoid flashpoints and to ensure that there is a continuity of all services.

Yours sincerely




Billy Hayes Bob Gibson Linda Roy
General Secretary Assistant Secretary Assistant Secretary

[robinhood]

The problem with this is that the BNP aren't traditional hardcore 'facists' are they??? The National Front were brain-dead fascists. But the BNP are what the name suggests, a nationalist party with a manifesto

well my friend i can assure you that the BNP are attending EDL marches and attacking asians, smashing up town centres and giving seig heil salutes on our streets, Read what happened at stoke!!
I have seen and heard their racsists actions face to face in nottingham, i have seen asian passerbys abused by these thugs.
on another point if you sing the praises of the BNP as an election option to vote for, you can kiss goodby to a Labour government and say hello to full privatision of our industry to the tories.
at least with labour we where able to campaign and change thier minds over part privatisation

[robinhood]

, the bnp has changed, it may be hard for some of you to stomach, but hey ho. No skinheads, no tattoos here, no pitbulls and no marches on the street, thats for the NF and the EDL.Just concerned people in this London pic.Still, its always nice to see the cwu putting peoples subs to good use, just to hopefully get a cosy wee number in the Labour party, Just ask Alan johnston.

i can assure you from 1st hand experience that NF EDL AND BNP are all in attendance together in the anti muslim marches taking place lately.
the same marches where people of colour have been attacked, abused and have had thier shops and property smashed.
So yes the skinheads are there, the tattoos are there, the rent a football firms are there and quess what they all shout the same slogans.
please wake up and smell the coffee.

[fishtank]

Nick Griffin’s true agenda, in his own words:

There’s a difference between selling out your ideas, and selling your ideas. And the British National Party isn’t about selling out its ideas … but we are determined now to sell them. And that means basically to use the saleable words. As I say, freedom, security, identity, democracy. Nobody can criticise them, nobody can come at you and attack you on those ideas. They are saleable.

Perhaps one day, once by being rather more subtle we’ve got ourselves in a position where we control the British broadcasting media, then perhaps one day the British people might change their mind and say, “Yes, every last one must go.” Perhaps they will one day, but if you offer that as your sole aim to start with, you’re gonna get absolutely nowhere. So, instead of talking about racial purity, we talk about identity.


Just because he now wears a shirt and tie doesn't mean the white power t-shirt isn't underneath.

[robinhood]

top post fishtank
says it all really

[Thorby Bislam]

At the press conferance to announce their new constituion. this happened.


Minutes after inviting him in, the BNP ejects the Times reporter Dominic Kennedy from a press conference. They objected to an article in Saturday's paper.

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Thugs they were. Thugs they still are. The leopard cant change his spots. They're thoroughly despicable people, and anybody who sides with them is either just as despicable as they are or is a hapless dupe suckered by their weasel words.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

IWW given the dire history of communism,how can any self respecting person be they black,white or any other colour be a member of the communist party or any of its affiliations?

I really wouldn't know.

having read many of your posts ,TBT,CCR and IWW I presume you are labour supporters and voters,if so,may i refer you to my post made earlier and answer the question.I look forward to your replies.

Yes, you are right. You do presume.

[shimmyrule]

At the press conferance to announce their new constituion. this happened.


Minutes after inviting him in, the BNP ejects the Times reporter Dominic Kennedy from a press conference. They objected to an article in Saturday's paper.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/p ... 027047.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thugs they were. Thugs they still are. The leopard cant change his spots. They're thoroughly despicable people, and anybody who sides with them is either just as despicable as they are or is a hapless dupe suckered by their weasel words.

and this is the reason it happened

After it had been explained to Mr Kennedy that he and a fellow Times journalist had engaged in a series of appalling lies and distortions over the BNP, he was asked to leave, the statement said.

Mr Kennedy refused to leave, and was then asked repeatedly to depart from the private property where the function was being held, completely in line with the laws on trespassing. Mr Kennedy consistently refused and was then removed from the premises, passively resisting so that he had to eventually be lifted off his feet to get over the doorframe.

“The incident was entirely Mr Kennedy’s fault as he refused to respond to polite and formal requests to leave of his own accord,” the BNP Media Unit statement said.

“No normal person, once it has been made clear to them that they are not welcome at a political gathering, then refuses to leave unless they are deliberately seeking a confrontation and want to cause trouble,” the statement said.

“Mr Kennedy went there looking for trouble, just like some street thug. BNP security used the utmost restraint in dealing with this gangster masquerading as a journalist and dismisses with contempt his childish whining after the event.”

The BNP Media Unit added that it would not hesitate to exclude other far-left cranks who masquerade as reporters from future BNP events.

“We have no problem with genuine journalists who actually want to report on what is going on at BNP events,” the statement said. “Honest and genuine reporters will always be welcome. But leftist lunatics, violence and confrontation-seeking thugs like Mr Kennedy, will from now on be shown the door.

“The BNP has had enough of smears and lies. It is an established political party with elected officials who have polled nearly a million votes. We do not have to suffer the abuse and lies of a small clique of leftist zealots anymore,” the statement concluded.

[shimmyrule]

oh, remember when New Labour thugs ejected a pensioner from a meeting , how awful, by the scruff of the neck too -tut tut .
A pensioner