UPDATE FROM HQ

[chewi]

This sudden re-coupling of the pension issue to the current talks smacks of desperation, as though the negotiation team for the union have come out of the "smoke filled room" and suddenly realised that they don't have a hope in hell of getting the membership to swallow what they've agreed so far.

OR

maybe they think they have management on the run.

I know which one I think is most likely

[RoyalQuest]

The "Massive" payrise is not so massive after all, so i'm told. . From what i can understand this agreement is total s**t!! Just remember PEC you were elected by us, if this agreement is what we believe it to be then i suggest you say NO NO, NO WAY!!!! Otherwise you will not be elected next time and you can ge back to your normal RM duties. I cant believe what im hearing, why have these clowns up the top even considered this, i hope what i'm hearing is wrong but i doubt it.

[creedscat]

Talks were adjourned on tues 9th feb ..........the next meeting will be friday 12th feb ?? WTF,
Say`s it all really !!!

Heard it was something to do with a golfing tournament.

[SWIM]

The "Massive" payrise is not so massive after all, so i'm told. . From what i can understand this agreement is total s**t!! Just remember PEC you were elected by us, if this agreement is what we believe it to be then i suggest you say NO NO, NO WAY!!!! Otherwise you will not be elected next time and you can ge back to your normal RM duties. I cant believe what im hearing, why have these clowns up the top even considered this, i hope what i'm hearing is wrong but i doubt it.

what have you heard?

[cantbelieveit's...]

Confidential!!!!

[gb93]

Come on then Royal Quest what have you heard ?

[Big Daz]

All this talk of the PEC not being relected is quite amusing, ecah and every year only a few nominations more than the amount of places on the PEC are submitted, therefore most of the PEC are relected every year.

Will this year be any different, well i supose that depends on if the full detail on any deal comes before or after the closing date for PEC nominations and the reaction from reps and officers of the union out in the localities.

[Big Daz]

Define total s**t and massive

I do not belive there has been any offical statement to say a massive payrise was being sought

[RoyalQuest]

Sometimes you have to trust and read between the lines.

Believe me on delivery , we are touching distance away from a deal including the benefits. Yes it does include 75 /25 full time /part time mix. It does include less saturdays for all delivery staff , it does include a massive increase in take home money and it does include d2d into workload and it does include agreements on geo route etc.

Work still needs to be done else where on processing and network on the benefits.

Plus the shorter working week we are still apart by and appox an hour but your be glad we are not going down the net working week option.

What does concern me is that some of you read an ltb which is quite bland for obvious reasons but states some strong principles and yet some are now saying the unions sold out.

Lets get one thing straight Royal Mail wanted to destroy the union last year. They failed.

Some posters said that Royal Mail just wanted to get past Christmas and then introduce their plan without the unions involvement. It has not happened.

The fact is that the Union has always faced an issue , you might not accept this but its clear that the amount of mech which is now done has decreased IPS. 5 years ago it was less than 60% nationally now it is 82%.

In the future under walk sequencing prep will also be quicker because it will be sequenced. These machines will run 6 days per week. So Saturdays will be effected , not everyone will work till 3 or even 2 but some will . The job is changing , you can either live in denial or recogonise that Royal Mail have purchased the machines for close on a billion pounds and are not going to agree they cannot run all machineable mail on them 6 days per week.

The union is a demorcacy so you will have a chance to say yes or no after you read the agreement. But for god sake some of the rubbish I have seen posted on here about rummours including monthly pay etc is so far of the mark , its no wonder that Roger Poole and ACAS have demanded that nothing is officially said.

Believe me , the deal is coming and it is going to be a complex and detailed deal which should be judged on the detail. At this moment no one should be in either the yes camp or the no camp cause you have not seen the agreement.

Yes by all means I accept your frustrated by the fact that you want more detail but the union has no choice but to observe the mandatory rule of no comms on the details.

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Thats where massive came from Daz. Stringing people along . What we are going to get is a pay cut my friend. (when you minus D2D payments)

[disheartened]

The "Massive" payrise is not so massive after all, so i'm told. . From what i can understand this agreement is total s**t!! Just remember PEC you were elected by us, if this agreement is what we believe it to be then i suggest you say NO NO, NO WAY!!!! Otherwise you will not be elected next time and you can ge back to your normal RM duties. I cant believe what im hearing, why have these clowns up the top even considered this, i hope what i'm hearing is wrong but i doubt it.

what have you heard?

Indeed,that was going to be my question.....so what have you heard?

The truth or Dingo,have you any info for us?

[RoyalQuest]

The "Massive" payrise is not so massive after all, so i'm told. . From what i can understand this agreement is total s**t!! Just remember PEC you were elected by us, if this agreement is what we believe it to be then i suggest you say NO NO, NO WAY!!!! Otherwise you will not be elected next time and you can ge back to your normal RM duties. I cant believe what im hearing, why have these clowns up the top even considered this, i hope what i'm hearing is wrong but i doubt it.

what have you heard?

Indeed,that was going to be my question.....so what have you heard?

The truth or Dingo,have you any info for us?

I would suggest dingo and the truth know alot more than they let on. Come on guys tell tell.

[rockytony67]

The "Massive" payrise is not so massive after all, so i'm told. . From what i can understand this agreement is total s**t!! Just remember PEC you were elected by us, if this agreement is what we believe it to be then i suggest you say NO NO, NO WAY!!!! Otherwise you will not be elected next time and you can ge back to your normal RM duties. I cant believe what im hearing, why have these clowns up the top even considered this, i hope what i'm hearing is wrong but i doubt it.

what have you heard?

Indeed,that was going to be my question.....so what have you heard?

The truth or Dingo,have you any info for us?

I would suggest dingo and the truth know alot more than they let on. Come on guys tell tell.

Don't worry about other people, why don't you tell us what you've heard

[k979aaa]

While i have no part in these negotiations i would suspect that the d2d cap will be removed for a one off payment of about a thousand pounds and all the other issues will be given a good window dressing only putting off the inevitable once again!.

[RoyalQuest]

Listen guys, alot more people know than you think, but who wants to break the bad news ?? It's pretty much what has already been discussed on here. Longer saturdays, d2d's etc. Bullshit!!!

[RoyalQuest]

While i have no part in these negotiations i would suspect that the d2d cap will be removed for a one off payment of about a thousand pounds and all the other issues will be given a good window dressing only putting off the inevitable once again!.

No one off payment.