Tman wrote:S'funny, that's what all those "band-wagon jumpers" said too....
I think you may have misunderstood Tman.My issue is with recruitment.
Why employ someone and then place them in such an alien position where they will obviously struggle
and be subject to the non-racist "support" of those around them.
IPS wrote:Clash, sorry but you do seem a little hot-headed on this as far as I can see, the only racism in this country is towards the white working class nowadays.
Are the white working class of this country a different race to the middle and upper classes?
I think you'll find that you're talking absolute twaddle.
IPS wrote: as far as I can see, the only racism in this country is towards the white working class nowadays.
OMG - The BNP have even got a recruiting sergeant on RMC.
Either you need to get out more and/or stop reading those crappy leaflets I refuse to deliver.
CLASH! CLASH! CLASH CITY ROCKER!!! You'll do for me fella.
IPS wrote:Clash, sorry but you do seem a little hot-headed on this as far as I can see, the only racism in this country is towards the white working class nowadays.
Are the white working class of this country a different race to the middle and upper classes?
I think you'll find that you're talking absolute twaddle.
I really do love how people read what they want out of a thread and then forget to take in the obvious points. I also think it's poor reasoning to throw the 'BNP argument' about as a last resort, just because you fail to agree with something.
Discrimination laws hit working class white males more because the vast majority of immigrants apply for working class jobs. Whats so difficult to understand here?
I think you'll find its YOU that's talking absolute twaddle. Of course the working class are not a different race to the middle or upper classes. But as you know only to well that was never said. You made that poor connotation, not me. immigration, for the reasons I gave, has less impact on these social groups.
k979aaa wrote:While at the moment i am not directly involved it has come to my attention that their is double standards in royal mail. The particular case in being is that the staff on permanent contracts be it full time or part time on these contacts are more accountable than those who do not!. WHY ? is it dumbing down the service we provide as the only benefit i can see for the introduction of walk sequencing is that and as such those who would not normally be given duties while incapable are performing these duties even though not capable ( ) while others are being suspended for trivial offences such as not being up to speed or unable to work unpaid overtime or even not delivering all door too door even though the non permanent contracts don't ever do them!.
There is the original post with the offending part removed.It stands alone as a post. I too have seen people come and do a duty in our office and leave bags of mail in drop boxes and Special Deliveries as well.They get away with stuff no full timer would get away with. This has got nothing to do with their nationality.
Why k799aaa felt the need to put in in capital letters that they didn't speak English very well only he can say, but obviously to some (me and CCR included) it was offensive,It was like shouting "They had just come off the boat."I notice the capital letters have gone.Why? Did a moderator change it or k799? Would it have been acceptable to write they were thick paddies, or pissed Jocks or smelly pakis? Obviously (I hope) not.It was offensive and racist and deserved to be challenged.
And then it opened the flood gates to others. The only victims of racism are the white working class? Bollocks.
"We've got this Iraqi in our office..."Well we've got a bloke who takes 5 hours to put up two of the lightest duties in the office and he's excused IPS to do it.He is Scottish.What does their nationality have to do with anything?
The problem is one of double standards as the title of the thread indicated. Not people's nationality.
If your gonna quote me then at least get the quote right eh??? Anyways whats wrong with saying "we have this iraqi bloke in our office"??? Is that deemed racist to call him iraqi??? FFS this country is severely f****d if you cant speak about anyone who is not english and cannot do the job correctly, spose we just have to turn a blind eye yes?? to keep the "PC brigade" happy. At the end of the day if you cant do the job correctly, whether your black,white,green or purple you should be either pulled up and properly educated/trained or f****d off simples.............
We all get paid the same as we are all equal therefore we should all be expected to work the same.
IPS wrote:Clash, sorry but you do seem a little hot-headed on this as far as I can see, the only racism in this country is towards the white working class nowadays.
The clue is in your post IPS. The ONLY racism...
No racism towards the Black community?
No racism toweards the Asian community?
No racism towards the Chinese community?
No racism towards the Jewish community?
The ONLY racism is towards the white working class ? I don't think so.
k979aaa wrote:While at the moment i am not directly involved it has come to my attention that their is double standards in royal mail. The particular case in being is that the staff on permanent contracts be it full time or part time on these contacts are more accountable than those who do not!. WHY ? is it dumbing down the service we provide as the only benefit i can see for the introduction of walk sequencing is that and as such those who would not normally be given duties while incapable are performing these duties even though not capable ( ) while others are being suspended for trivial offences such as not being up to speed or unable to work unpaid overtime or even not delivering all door too door even though the non permanent contracts don't ever do them!.
There is the original post with the offending part removed.It stands alone as a post. I too have seen people come and do a duty in our office and leave bags of mail in drop boxes and Special Deliveries as well.They get away with stuff no full timer would get away with. This has got nothing to do with their nationality.
Why k799aaa felt the need to put in in capital letters that they didn't speak English very well only he can say, but obviously to some (me and CCR included) it was offensive,It was like shouting "They had just come off the boat."I notice the capital letters have gone.Why? Did a moderator change it or k799? Would it have been acceptable to write they were thick paddies, or pissed Jocks or smelly pakis? Obviously (I hope) not.It was offensive and racist and deserved to be challenged.
And then it opened the flood gates to others. The only victims of racism are the white working class? Bollocks.
"We've got this Iraqi in our office..."Well we've got a bloke who takes 5 hours to put up two of the lightest duties in the office and he's excused IPS to do it.He is Scottish.What does their nationality have to do with anything?
The problem is one of double standards as the title of the thread indicated. Not people's nationality.
The fact is you and many on here have their say through the language of English and i agree with 99% of your post if i was in Germany or Zimbabwe i would have to speak the language and abide by their laws! It is not for me to decide upon the sutability of the staff royal mail employ but if those who have been their of years be it black white yellow or purple and those good people lose their jobs one must speak up for them for they are capable and all professional in their jobs
IPS wrote:Clash, sorry but you do seem a little hot-headed on this as far as I can see, the only racism in this country is towards the white working class nowadays.
The clue is in your post IPS. The ONLY racism...
No racism towards the Black community?
No racism toweards the Asian community?
No racism towards the Chinese community?
No racism towards the Jewish community?
The ONLY racism is towards the white working class ? I don't think so.
Yep motherhubard, totally picked up on that, I was veering towards life after the equality bill in the workplace but I totally stand corrected on how it appeared.
Run, rabbit run. Dig that hole, forget the sun.
And when at last the work is done. Don't sit down, it's time to dig another one
IPS wrote:Clash, sorry but you do seem a little hot-headed on this as far as I can see, the only racism in this country is towards the white working class nowadays.
Are the white working class of this country a different race to the middle and upper classes?
I think you'll find that you're talking absolute twaddle.
I really do love how people read what they want out of a thread and then forget to take in the obvious points. I also think it's poor reasoning to throw the 'BNP argument' about as a last resort, just because you fail to agree with something.
Discrimination laws hit working class white males more because the vast majority of immigrants apply for working class jobs. Whats so difficult to understand here?
I think you'll find its YOU that's talking absolute twaddle. Of course the working class are not a different race to the middle or upper classes. But as you know only to well that was never said.You made that poor connotation, not me. immigration, for the reasons I gave, has less impact on these social groups.
I really do think RACISM IS WRONG and apologize for my lack grammar in this post and all previous posts but i will not let this post turn into a witch hunt for all on RMC!. If some wish this carry on the the road and we will all censor our info and this site will die of political correctness!.
Well this has been a lively post. I think the bottom line is along the lines of what someone posted early. That is the right skills for the job you are doing , in Royal Mail one of the most important skills, is the ability to read English as the job invovles a lot of reading. It is totaly irrelevant what colour or nationallity you are.
On the PC bit, blantant racism is obvious to all and not acceptable to any normal minded person as we have moved on from the views of the fifties and sixties etc. The problem to me is percieved racism , the way people are been indoctrinated with this PC rubbish . It seems to make them so sensitive , as if they are looking for racism , where there is none, There has been a few examples in this thread and I think this sad as "freedom of speach" is the bedrock of our society.
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