UPDATE FROM HQ

[smokerjim]

Simple answer is that your 1st stop to last stop will be planned to include door to door.

At the moment when planning deliveries routes door to door is not taken into account, as RML want us to do more the CWU want in return for delivery routes/duties to be planned to include door to door.

Just for the vaguely dull witted amongst us ( here I am ) does that mean, in theory, that duties could be resized - ie, 5 walks redesigned into 6 walks?

[clashcityrocker]

Why has D2D into workload been Union policy since 1994? (If I remeber dingo's post correctly)
Surely the quantity of D2D and consequently the payment we recieve has increased enormously.
Whatever the reason was in 1994 , is it still valid today?

[dvbuk55]

Simple answer is that your 1st stop to last stop will be planned to include door to door.

At the moment when planning deliveries routes door to door is not taken into account, as RML want us to do more the CWU want in return for delivery routes/duties to be planned to include door to door.

Just for the vaguely dull witted amongst us ( here I am ) does that mean, in theory, that duties could be resized - ie, 5 walks redesigned into 6 walks?

Yes - in your dreams that is! It will be more likely that the delivery span will be increased, maybe the shorter working week is the basis for this "massive" pay increase.
We'll haave to wait and see.

Any forecasts as to when this agreement is going to be published.?

[Cut Off King]

Any forecasts as to when this agreement is going to be published.?

The details will be published when we have been softened up enough for it to get through the vote

[fishtank]

If you go from a perfect 3.5 hour del to a 4 hour span with door into workload in theroy it would mean you dont get 30 mins delivery put on but less so as to account for door to door. Also with increased door to door you need more prep time so this will be planned into the indoor element of your duty.

Dingo is the best person to explain, but thats my understanding of door to door into workload.

Im sure a explanation will be in the agreement.

Daz,D2D into outdoor delivery span would simply mean a small increase in the call rate used in conjunction with pegasus/georoute.
But in my D.O management are already arguing that the 75% call rate our 3.5hr deliveries are plotted on is too excessive and that it is closer to 68%.
This would completely wipe out any relief we may get from D2D into delivery spans.
As far as planning into the indoor element of your duty is concerned that does not guarantee more prep time.Only that time will be set aside for D2D.
As well as the savings on WSM when it comes to you,we will need to see what performance standards come out of this agreement.
I know for a fact management think we are underperforming on prep.
If you think about it,How can you have more prep time AND move to longer spans?
Something will have to give.

[clashcityrocker]

But in my D.O management are already arguing that the 75% call rate our 3.5hr deliveries are plotted on is too excessive and that it is closer to 68%.

I have covered walks where the call rate was close on 100% every day simply because of the the number of professors, doctors, Lords and Ladies etc who lived in that area.
Surely local negotiations should allow us to factor that into any calculations.
I have also covered walks with a large number of tenements (flats) whare the call rate might be 75% (or lower) but missing out anything but the top floor does not influence the overall duty time in the way missing a front door house does.
One size doesn't suit all except when it suits them.

[dvbuk55]

If you go from a perfect 3.5 hour del to a 4 hour span with door into workload in theroy it would mean you dont get 30 mins delivery put on but less so as to account for door to door. Also with increased door to door you need more prep time so this will be planned into the indoor element of your duty.

Dingo is the best person to explain, but thats my understanding of door to door into workload.

Im sure a explanation will be in the agreement.

Daz,D2D into outdoor delivery span would simply mean a small increase in the call rate used in conjunction with pegasus/georoute.
But in my D.O management are already arguing that the 75% call rate our 3.5hr deliveries are plotted on is too excessive and that it is closer to 68%.
This would completely wipe out any relief we may get from D2D into delivery spans.
As far as planning into the indoor element of your duty is concerned that does not guarantee more prep time.Only that time will be set aside for D2D.
As well as the savings on WSM when it comes to you,we will need to see what performance standards come out of this agreement.
I know for a fact management think we are underperforming on prep.
If you think about it,How can you have more prep time AND move to longer spans?
Something will have to give.

By Dazs' own experience the walk sequencing saves time, though it is not certain by how much on any given frame depending on how many doublers there are, so surely any increase in D2D would merely take up the slack from sequenced work, there would have to be one hell of an increase in D2D to actually give a 75/25 split.

As for the call rate I'm sure it is supposed to be something in the 80s not 60s.

[fishtank]

But in my D.O management are already arguing that the 75% call rate our 3.5hr deliveries are plotted on is too excessive and that it is closer to 68%.

I have covered walks where the call rate was close on 100% every day simply because of the the number of professors, doctors, Lords and Ladies etc who lived in that area.
Surely local negotiations should allow us to factor that into any calculations.
I have also covered walks with a large number of tenements (flats) whare the call rate might be 75% (or lower) but missing out anything but the top floor does not influence the overall duty time in the way missing a front door house does.
One size doesn't suit all except when it suits them.

Every walk is being assesed CCR,the figure of 75% is an office average "best guess" which was used for SDD revisions.The new figure of 68% an average of the reassesment.

[Big Daz]

4 day week would achieve longer spans and more prep time.

If I were to switch from 5 x 6 hour days to 4 x 7.5 hour days, I could use 30 mins onto delivery and 1 hour onto prep/indoor work.

Dont like the sound of pegasus criteria RM use in your wee part of the world, we have 88% call rate and the slower of the two walking speeds in pegasus. Still have the pitfully low 1.7 attendance call rate though.

Hopefully the national proposals will have each delivery based on the reality of it actual calls each day.

Weve got pegasus 2 coming at any point betwen week 15 and week 20 of the new financial year, so I will be asking the members to start checking a few times a week how many stops they go to and how many doors they knock on.

[dvbuk55]

4 day week would achieve longer spans and more prep time.

If I were to switch from 5 x 6 hour days to 4 x 7.5 hour days, I could use 30 mins onto delivery and 1 hour onto prep/indoor work.

Dont like the sound of pegasus criteria RM use in your wee part of the world, we have 88% call rate and the slower of the two walking speeds in pegasus. Still have the pitfully low 1.7 attendance call rate though.

Hopefully the national proposals will have each delivery based on the reality of it actual calls each day.

Weve got pegasus 2 coming at any point betwen week 15 and week 20 of the new financial year, so I will be asking the members to start checking a few times a week how many stops they go to and how many doors they knock on.

The 1 hour indoor prep to 30 minutes delivery seems a bit of wishful thinking TBH - I think it woould be more likely the other way round.

[Big Daz]

Knowing RML desire to have us out on delivery for longer, your are proabaly right dvbuk55.

[fishtank]

Knowing RML desire to have us out on delivery for longer, your are proabaly right dvbuk55.

Daz you can be assured that before the ink is dry on this agreement Royal Mail will have found a multitude
of ways to negate any "gains" the CWU may think they have won.

[dvbuk55]

Knowing RML desire to have us out on delivery for longer, your are proabaly right dvbuk55.

Daz you can be assured that before the ink is dry on this agreement Royal Mail will have found a multitude
of ways to negate any "gains" the CWU may think they have won.

I eagerly await to see what safeguards have been built into this agreement that was sadly lacking in the last one - and "trust" ain't gonna cut it.

[k979aaa]

Knowing RML desire to have us out on delivery for longer, your are proabaly right dvbuk55.

Daz you can be assured that before the ink is dry on this agreement Royal Mail will have found a multitude
of ways to negate any "gains" the CWU may think they have won.

I eagerly await to see what safeguards have been built into this agreement that was sadly lacking in the last one - and "trust" ain't gonna cut it.

Trust is gained though appreciation good will and respect and the common good!. While greed avarice and contempt and down right lies is royal mail's mantra!.

[pickaname]

D2D isnt urrently orporated into the workload as the floating duties never take them.

How can we be expected to prep 5 D2D's in a week? 20% or one a day would tip me over the edge on an 800+ drop walk - especially if youre thinking council magazines or sally army pens.
Also one blanket payment for D2D would be unfair as some walks in other offices have 2-300 drops. Obviously they would gain and we would lose out big time.

Surely RM are losing the plot on this.