UPDATE FROM HQ

[k979aaa]

We're all dooooomed

TBH I think we're going to get done over like a kipper, if the union really wanted to succeed then they'd have us out on the streets.

Come on now CWU, RM is taking all of us for fools, call us back out now before it's too late.

It's already too late - the initial ballot has run out according to some on here and so we would be back to square one with the memberships trust in the union at an all time low. There are so many people on the shop floor where I work considering leaving the union, and with good reason IMHO, that they are already convinced that they have been/will be stitched up that they are already prepared for the worst so any further delay only reinforces that attitude. The latest information from Dave Ward doesn't exactly instill any confidence either.

Well if those who we have trusted cannot deliver maybe it is time for a thousand strikes once again with or without our H/Q leash up on our reps!.

[dvbuk55]

Funny how some "big up" the achievements of what has been negotiated before the news is disclosed and when it comes to light suddenly clam up - it must be terrible to have only the opinion you are told to have.

[ldsposti]

Only one thing for it lets rally the troops for a massive no vote

[GHOSTman]

no mention of safeguarding ft work
no mention of pay increases
no mention of d2d
no mention of deliv model

That's exactly what I was thinking. No mention of maximising Full time employment or agreed FT / PT ratio's. I tried pressing Dingo on this in another thread but he either didn't see my questions or didn't want to answer them.

[woofwoof]

ive always been 110% behind the union in the last 16 years but this is the last straw for me im pulling my rep stripes off if its anything l;ike the pay & mod agreement

[fishtank]

Ghostman wrote
"No mention of maximising Full time employment or agreed FT / PT ratio's. I tried pressing Dingo on this in another thread but he either didn't see my questions or didn't want to answer them."



THe old FT/PT ratio question seems to be as popular as a dose of clap suddenly.This does not bode well.

[woofwoof]

THe old FT/PT ratio question seems to be as popular as a dose of clap suddenly.This does not bode well.

that get mentioned daily at our office

[Dee Plish]

Longer / Later Saturdays guarantees a NO vote from members in delivery at least. Not even worth putting such a proposal to a ballot. about it HQ.

Whilst this drags on and on, it gives more time to add extra £££'s to me strike fund.

[tpost]

We must also recognise that our aspirations are set against the environment the business now operates within and the company’s own objectives, which include the introducing of a standarised six day work plan.

Basically we will agree for you to be shafted rather than have it imposed.

[Martin Walsh]

Sometimes you have to trust and read between the lines.

Believe me on delivery , we are touching distance away from a deal including the benefits. Yes it does include 75 /25 full time /part time mix. It does include less saturdays for all delivery staff , it does include a massive increase in take home money and it does include d2d into workload and it does include agreements on geo route etc.

Work still needs to be done else where on processing and network on the benefits.

Plus the shorter working week we are still apart by and appox an hour but your be glad we are not going down the net working week option.

What does concern me is that some of you read an ltb which is quite bland for obvious reasons but states some strong principles and yet some are now saying the unions sold out.

Lets get one thing straight Royal Mail wanted to destroy the union last year. They failed.

Some posters said that Royal Mail just wanted to get past Christmas and then introduce their plan without the unions involvement. It has not happened.

The fact is that the Union has always faced an issue , you might not accept this but its clear that the amount of mech which is now done has decreased IPS. 5 years ago it was less than 60% nationally now it is 82%.

In the future under walk sequencing prep will also be quicker because it will be sequenced. These machines will run 6 days per week. So Saturdays will be effected , not everyone will work till 3 or even 2 but some will . The job is changing , you can either live in denial or recogonise that Royal Mail have purchased the machines for close on a billion pounds and are not going to agree they cannot run all machineable mail on them 6 days per week.

The union is a demorcacy so you will have a chance to say yes or no after you read the agreement. But for god sake some of the rubbish I have seen posted on here about rummours including monthly pay etc is so far of the mark , its no wonder that Roger Poole and ACAS have demanded that nothing is officially said.

Believe me , the deal is coming and it is going to be a complex and detailed deal which should be judged on the detail. At this moment no one should be in either the yes camp or the no camp cause you have not seen the agreement.

Yes by all means I accept your frustrated by the fact that you want more detail but the union has no choice but to observe the mandatory rule of no comms on the details.

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[trythat]

In our office Saturday is already 8 hours, you might make 30 mins if the mail is light, the only difference to a normal day is no late collections, and late collections is the onlt extra I can see regarding Saturdays, I mean firms and places that are normally shut on Saturdays aren't suddenly going to start opening because RM are going to make us work later on Saturdays, so I'd like to know what they have planned for us - of course if we're starting later then we finish later, but thats no different to know.

[dados]

I'd like to know more about this family friendly bollocks,cos as far as i'm concerned,RM dismiss anything that is outside of its workings

[fishtank]

dingo wrote
"Yes it does include 75 /25 full time /part time mix."


I will ask this time.
Locally or nationally dingo.

[trythat]

From what dingo has just posted, does that mean we're into these 10 day fornite thingys or evern 4 day weeks, for some of us?

[k979aaa]

We were at 60% partime this week and 20% of them could not do the job so 40% had to dig them out of the sh!t!.