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National Negotiations – Extended into next week,and the next

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fishtank
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Re: National Negotiations – Extended into next week!

Post by fishtank »

the truth wrote
"I stand for the pension issue being resolved by the Government . This will not be an agreement with Royal Mail."

So just what kind of pressure is being applied on the CWU by the Labour Goverment to resolve this dispute and therefore facilitate a resolution to the pension deficit.
Otherwise you scratch our backs and we MIGHT scratch yours.
It looks like the dice were loaded from the start. :cuppa
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Big Daz
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fishtank

http://www.cwu.org/news/archive/mps-vow ... paign.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The time to deliver pension document was sent to Labour MP'S only, HQ appear to have no interest in trying to build up support amongst MP's from other political parties.

The shadow business minster for the Conservative party belives the government will do nothing with pensions between now and the GE.
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The fact that the ballots are no longer active is surely something the union should have notified the members of and in any case they could have used token strikes to keep the ballot alive. Withholding information isn't lying it's just not being honest.

In this day and age and with the costs of the union rising it would have made sense to avoid further expense - they must be damn sure they are going to get a yes vote because if they don't we'll be back to the ballot box eventually - in which case they should have kept the ballot alive.

In the case of the agreement ballot it may well be advisable to ask if they vote no to the agreement are they prepared to take industrial action - something I feel that HQ have never been in favour of.

As for the days spent on strike by London, they were individual ballots and as for the crap that everything elsewhere in the garden was rosy is bullshit, as is highlighted by the support on the National ballot, which is the reason the meetings are taking place. You could have lost 200 days and RM would NOT have come to the table - you lost 20 but that does not give you any kudos in this agreement - it was national support that got you here and it is a national agreement we seek.
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Post by clashcityrocker »

Negotiations extended into which week?
Until we actually see "the deal" we are just like eunuchs discussing the Karma Sutra.
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Re: National Negotiations – Extended into next week!

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Pehaps they thought everything would go away, bit like our Pensions Ballot :hmmmm
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Edward Hunter
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Re: National Negotiations – Extended into next week!

Post by Edward Hunter »

There seems to be alot of animosity and distrust of Dingo/The truth, but i think i know who the fella is and when he came to my office, he put the case for IA very well. Remember he is NOT in charge of the national union, which should have got its act together alot earlier as offices outside London were allowed to negotiate things things contrary to what had been agreed at conference. If other areas has reps like him we as a national UNION would have stood united earlier. I dont think he deserves some of the stick and allegations that are aimed at him. If the deal is good bad or indifferent, you cant lay the blame on him. This forum would be alot poorer without him, thats for sure .
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Re: National Negotiations – Extended into next week!

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Yes you are right there would be less information, but sometimes ignorance is bliss - we are all the wiser for knowing the ballots are dead and just in time for the great unveiling of the agreement. Which I am sure is going to create even more discussion. I am not sure what position he holds but he certainly uses the we a lot and seems to be well aware of what the ins and outs of this agreement is going to be and agrees with many of the controversial issues which the general membership do not agree with. What he says may well be the truth but it is not a position we all have to agree with.
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Edward Hunter wrote
"If other areas has reps like him we as a national UNION would have stood united earlier. "



I am absolutely convinced that dingo would say and do anything neccesary to protect his division. :neutral:
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Cut Off King
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Nobodys blaming Dingo / Truth personally, But we are upset with the union leadership as a whole.
The members who don't visit this site or any other site all seem to be pizzed of with the pace of events in my office (and I suspect offices up and down the country too )
We all feel let down, We stepped up to the plate when it mattered. The cwu hq said "Leave it to us now lads, we know best" they called off the strikes too soon and we are where we are. We all feel let down.
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Post by rockytony67 »

Stormproof wrote:Pehaps they thought everything would go away, bit like our Pensions Ballot :hmmmm


Yeah I forgot about that one, whatever happened to our vote on the pension's :whistle
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Re: National Negotiations – Extended into next week!

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rockytony67 wrote:
Stormproof wrote:Pehaps they thought everything would go away, bit like our Pensions Ballot :hmmmm


Yeah I forgot about that one, whatever happened to our vote on the pension's :whistle
Probably the same as the conference decision to ballot to stop payrolling the labour party - selective memory - see we say we want something and the CWU decide it would be better for us to do something else.
Glenno
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Post by Glenno »

so i take it NO friggin news tonite then test the patience of a saint getting totally pissed with the whole circus
Danelectro
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Re: National Negotiations – Extended into next week!

Post by Danelectro »

Big Daz wrote:If our action is continuous we can go back out.

Thats how im reading the law and guides on IA
i second that,spoke to my area rep today and he is 100% sure that ballot is still live and case law etc does not apply.
Big Daz
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Ive had that from the rep responsible for the running of the IR side of my branch as well,

Its worth remembering the interim agreement was extended on the same terms as it was set up, so that would mean in theroy the ballot is still live. :hmmmm
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Big Daz wrote:Ive had that from the rep responsible for the running of the IR side of my branch as well,

Its worth remembering the interim agreement was extended on the same terms as it was set up, so that would mean in theroy the ballot is still live. :hmmmm

I would imagine Daz that this is more about what would happen if RM went running to the courts for an injunction rather than whether the ballot is technicaly still live.
Judges apply the law in many different and sometimes baffling ways and rarely take the side of a union.
I would imagine a judge would simply say that the circumstances have changed from our first ballot and a re-ballot is necessary.
I don't like it one bit but that is my take on it. :mad
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