they want even more hours

kwikpost · Post by **kwikpost** » 13 Mar 2007, 15:35

phantomshare wrote:Whether they find a way of increasing delivery time or not, they will certainly be looking at ways of making sure we work the hours we get paid for, possibly indoor work before delivery.

i dont have a problem working the hours we`re all paid to do. its working like a pack mule that worries me.

phantomshare · Post by **phantomshare** » 13 Mar 2007, 15:41

I don't either, especially not since i became a unit rep, i see things totally different, how RM want savings all the time are trying to replace full-time vacancies with part-time, which started at 30 hours now are down to 25 hours.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 13 Mar 2007, 17:38

They're taking nights out of our place,well,5-15hrs as that's all there is.
My grief though is our rep,whom is a gooden,wants to claw some hours back to get 2-3 bods in 2hrs early to do the cutting/tipping/laying out ect.
My argument,or it will be is to not do that and f**k anything like that off.
Yes it means more sorting(which i really hate btw) but we'll get out later finish later/cut off so all in all it will protect jobs.
Regardless of what super dooper machines come in,the longer we are in house,the less time we have outside the less chance
the walks will be made bigger.
Simple science me thinks.
But alas i think it will land on deaf ears at my place,too many early starters/car users.

phantomshare wrote:I don't either, especially not since i became a unit rep, i see things totally different, how RM want savings all the time are trying to replace full-time vacancies with part-time, which started at 30 hours now are down to 25 hours.

My attitude has changed since i started this site,in a strange way i want more work,so my job is more secure.
At times i get an hour+ out of the job,sometimes it's tight,if i get 15-30 mins out if it after all this then i will be happy.
If i have to work 8hrs a day then hey,s**t happens,i've had a good run over the last 10yrs.

As for working like a pack Mule,with pouch boxs,and making up my bags so 'I' can carry them,not Hercules,then it don't happen down my way,not for me anyway.
They can give me as much work as they want,but i can and will only do so much,time and National agreements permitting.
And ANY Manager can come out and watch me.

johnnyp · Post by **johnnyp** » 13 Mar 2007, 17:56

Well said postman,people need to wake up and be realistic about the job.Where else can u work and get a full days pay and finish well before your time? :Confused o.k i know its job and finish but we have had a good run 21 years in my case,im a you take the rough with the smooth person myself and get on with it .It makes me mad when people are moaning about the job

and are finished at midday ,DONTknock it when its heavy it could mean a FULL TIME JOB for every one at the end of it.

kwikpost · Post by **kwikpost** » 13 Mar 2007, 18:04

thats it once we all get use to working our proper hrs. surely the job will be easier. no one coming in early no cars no carrying over wieght bags. to me that sounds bloody good.

phantomshare · Post by **phantomshare** » 13 Mar 2007, 21:14

I feel the cwu would like to remove job and finish also, but are scared of a backlash from the mebership,but would it be seen as a union that wants it's members to work harder ( for want of a better word ), or the union that is trying to save jobs. i think the latter but it would be a major gamble.

robd · Post by **robd** » 14 Mar 2007, 11:33

Quite right,the union must feel like there stuck between a rock and a hard place.
The last i heard it was the union who felt job and finish was a mistake(more people rushing has led to an increase in workplace accidents etc..)
whereas Royal Mail must be over the moon,(people are actually falling over themselves to come in early and finish early)
so yes it's a win,win situation for Royal mail,and if there is to be an end to job and finish it'll certainly be upto the CWU to break it to us!

kwikpost · Post by **kwikpost** » 14 Mar 2007, 13:01

robd wrote:Quite right,the union must feel like there stuck between a rock and a hard place.
The last i heard it was the union who felt job and finish was a mistake(more people rushing has led to an increase in workplace accidents etc..)
whereas Royal Mail must be over the moon,(people are actually falling over themselves to come in early and finish early)
so yes it's a win,win situation for Royal mail,and if there is to be an end to job and finish it'll certainly be upto the CWU to break it to us!

of course it is. look at the fleet of cars they have. all paid for insured mantained and fueled up by us. we still have people coming in early and i mean early. one post person comes in EVERY day 1hr-15mins before their start time another 45mins. we are giving them jobs on a plate. if you say anything all you get is well im not walking around or driving around to 1-30. i cant say anything to em now it winds me up to much.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 14 Mar 2007, 13:14

If the union wanted job and finish to go then i'm darned sure RM won't let it happen,for all of the reasons we've all spoken about.
I'd be very suprised if the business backed it.

kwikpost · Post by **kwikpost** » 14 Mar 2007, 13:42

well they cant have it both ways no more. the union has to decide what they want. people in jobs and their say in the work place. or more jobs going every year. if we carry on like we have done in 5 to 10 years there will be no job and no union

cjp · Post by **cjp** » 17 Mar 2007, 09:25

From what I have heard these machines actually work and could take out a serious amount of work from IPS and reps are warning us not to bury our heads in the sand but to come up with constructive idea's to safeguard jobs. The starting point must surely be to not even consider cutting IPS sorting time in your offices until these machines arrive but cuts on IPS seem to be happening around the country regardless ,this can only mean more job losses when the machines actually arrive.Our reps are argueing almost daily to get bodies on the sorting but I appreciate that it is difficult at the moment with higher priorities (strikes ect).
ARE THERE ANY GOOD IDEAS GOING ON ANYWHERE ELSE.
d2d into workload(as prep) or replacing IPS time maybe????
anything to fill the time up.

We are earmarked for 2010 I am led to believe.

cjp · Post by **cjp** » 17 Mar 2007, 09:43

I think that it is about time that Union reps at all levels (but particularly the ones with paid release) started to make some of the hard but maybe unpopular decisions in order to safeguard jobs and not just to safeguard their own position. Our reps took that decision and we now have zero car use and zero early starts and we work our hours ish!. After 2 weeks people had got used to it and started to enjoy it, they do know that it is being done to safeguard their jobs and for their own interests. I'm sure there are still a few that would like to go in their cars but it has been made clear that if they show that there is spare time then those are the duties that will have to face any cuts.
THAT IS NOW OUR PERMANENT WAY OF WORKING AND NOT JUST A QUICK PROTEST.
PAID FOR 40 HOURS WORK 40 HOURS (but not too hard)

kwikpost · Post by **kwikpost** » 17 Mar 2007, 11:17

cjp wrote:I think that it is about time that Union reps at all levels (but particularly the ones with paid release) started to make some of the hard but maybe unpopular decisions in order to safeguard jobs and not just to safeguard their own position. Our reps took that decision and we now have zero car use and zero early starts and we work our hours ish!. After 2 weeks people had got used to it and started to enjoy it, they do know that it is being done to safeguard their jobs and for their own interests. I'm sure there are still a few that would like to go in their cars but it has been made clear that if they show that there is spare time then those are the duties that will have to face any cuts.
THAT IS NOW OUR PERMANENT WAY OF WORKING AND NOT JUST A QUICK PROTEST.
PAID FOR 40 HOURS WORK 40 HOURS (but not too hard)

personally i think this is the only way to go.. way i see it if the union dont pull its finger out now and put a stop to coming in early and rushing out in cars the time will come when you have to do these things just to finnish on time. better they step in now and tell people the truth. carry on as you are and end up in the knackers yard. or do the job properly and live to enjoy retirement

tommymac · Post by **tommymac** » 17 Mar 2007, 12:43

I hope Margate Postman is reading this thread ( see Later Starts thread) You are playing right into RM's hands.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 17 Mar 2007, 13:54

In the Courier the machines(blimey i sound like john connor)on average take off 30 mins,like johnnypick mentioned when i 1st posted it up,you're gonna get missorts and the like so that should slow that down a bit again.

The f***ing Car and coming in early thing really grates me,only today(Sat) one guy came in at 4-55 for a 5-45 start ffs and sneaked out to nick a bit when he'd done all his prepping,around 75% of my office come in early and use their Cars every day.

Just a question,what's the official thing with signing a decleration with RM to use your cars.

If you haven't got the correct insurance regardless of what RM say or what you sign,then surely it's a nick,and for the Manager as well who let the car user go out in the 1st place.