got told today that job and finish is over next week

[coxie]

if you gotta work till your time you might aswell take your meal relief or you will be working through it for nothing, because you cannot knock the time off the end of your duty

[POSTMAN]

thought they brought in flexible working, so if 1 day u work 7 hours later in the week you work 9 hours

That's in,that's long and shorts.

[NewPostieUK]

I thought Job and Finish meant going home after your last letter, not having to go back to your DO. If thats the case then nearly all the part timers do it. No part timers finish early, as far as I know, except on the very rare occasion when it's light. Mind you, we have longs and shorts, working an hour less on the 'light' days, sat mon and tues. If there was no Job and finish, there'd be no pouching off, and it would be a nightmare getting people back to the DO just to sign out. Also, overtime would shoot up, paying people for the time taken to get back.

[Fluke]

He cant make you take it, but he can decide when it is, so he could say meal relief is at 10, and if someone does not take it, he would perfectly be entitled to ensure that anyone who didnt, returned to the office to see out their time sorting

Sorry but the advice you have given is wrong. Under the SDD agreement the postman decides the timing and location of his/her meal break, providing it does not impact of the rest of the operation.

Apendix A

key principles

f) Providing meal break/working time regulation rules are observed, employees will have the flexibility to plan the timing and location of their meal breaks. This flexibility also extends to the ability to have a refreshment break prior going out on delivery as long as it does not compromise the office workplan. Where deliveries are completed within the agreed office workplan then employees will be allowed to pouch off without returning to the office.

I've already had that row with our DUM, when he wanted people taking mealbreaks whilst waiting for the missorts. Do what I did, and tell him to feck off and shove a copy of the SDD agreement under his nose.

[mclovin]

We have never had to return to the office since SDD.

[Ahebban]

I found the following text at the link below ...

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Types of breaks

You will normally have a variety of different breaks from work. These can be broken down into three types:

'rest breaks' - lunch breaks, tea breaks and other short breaks during the day
'daily rest' - the break between finishing one day's work and starting the next (for most people this is overnight
between week days)
'weekly rest' - whole days when you don't come into work (for many people this will be the weekend)

The second and third types of break are almost never paid unless you have to remain 'on call', meaning you are available to work. The first type is often paid, but doesn't have to be unless your contract says so.

Contracts of employment - How much break time do you get?
The amount of break time you get is usually agreed with your employer. It may be written down somewhere (eg in your contract of employment) or might just be part of your employer's standard practice.

Your employer must give you at least the rest breaks required by the Working Time Regulations. They must also ensure that your health and safety is not put at risk. This means that your employer might have to give you more than the amount set out in the regulations, if this reduces a health and safety risk.


Employers' health and safety responsibilities - Young workers
If you are under 18 but over 'school leaving age', you are classed as a young worker and have different break allowances to adult workers. You are under school leaving age until the end of summer term of the school year in which you turn 16.
Young workers and working hours (young people section) Rest breaks - a break during your working day

As an adult worker (over 18), you will normally have the right to a 20 minute rest break if you are expected to work more than six hours at a stretch.

A lunch or coffee break can count as your rest break. Additional breaks might be given by your contract of employment. There is no statutory right to 'smoking breaks'.

The requirements are:

the break must be in one block
it cannot be taken off one end of the working day - it must be somewhere in the middle
you are allowed to spend it away from the place on your employer's premises where you work
your employer can say when the break must be taken, as long as it meets these conditions

Daily rest - a break between working days
If you are an adult worker you have the right to a break of at least 11 hours between working days. This means as an adult worker, if you finish work at 8.00 pm on Monday you should not start work until 7.00 am on Tuesday.

Weekly rest - the 'weekend'
If you are an adult worker you have the right to either:
an uninterrupted 24 hours clear of work each week
an uninterrupted 48 hours clear each fortnight

Exceptions to the regulations
Your working week is not covered by the Working Time Regulations if you work in the following areas:
jobs where you can choose freely how long you will work (such as a managing executive)
the armed forces, emergency services and police are excluded in some circumstances
domestic servants in private houses
The rights to breaks apply differently to you if:
you have to travel a long distance from your home to get to work
you constantly work in different places making it difficult to work to a set pattern
you are doing security or surveillance-based work
you are working in an industry with busy peak periods, like agriculture, retail or tourism
there is an emergency or risk of an accident
the job needs round-the-clock staffing (such as hospital work)
you are employed in the rail industry and you work on board trains or your activities are irregular or linked to seeing
that trains run on time

In these cases, instead of getting normal breaks, you are entitled to 'compensatory rest'. This is rest taken later, ideally during the same or following working day. The principle is that everyone gets a minimum 90 hours rest a week on average. This is the total of your entitlement to daily and weekly rest periods, although some rest may come slightly later than normal.