Agreement to extend national talks

Martin Walsh · Post by **Martin Walsh** » 23 Dec 2009, 12:10

It has been agreed to extend the national talks to the 22nd January. Talks will resume on 6th Janaury. A joint comms will be sent out later again.

Post by **stokes11eg** » 23 Dec 2009, 12:16

Surprise, surprise. By the time the talks get underway, there will be no full time staff left, and everybody will be on one hour contracts---and of course,,,Christmas will be over.I wouldn't be surprised if they are rescheduled
contuinually, until Big Billys tenure at C.W,U is over, and he's got a safe labour seat.Of course, if he came out of the woodwork now, and told us what he has achieved, to our benefit, during these last few weeks of talk, i might just start believing in Santa Claus. Rant over.

Eric · Post by **Eric** » 23 Dec 2009, 13:43

Billy's speech about what he has achieved would probably be the shortest speech on record!

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 23 Dec 2009, 13:53

dingo wrote:It has been agreed to extend the national talks to the 22nd January. Talks will resume on 6th Janaury. A joint comms will be sent out later again.

EXCUSE ME - But as most of the Unions Members and therefore Royal Mail employees will be working between Christmas and New Year why aren't the negotiators. This is important to us and here we are not being informed except by whispers and leaks, and then they have a cheek to take a 2 week break.

Sorry - not impressed - Its not Dingo's fault, and no fingers should be pointed in his direction, but I would expect more commitment from both sides of the negotiating teams when we ordinary members and employees felt strong enough about the issues to strike for up to nearly 3 weeks for some.

pickaname · Post by **pickaname** » 23 Dec 2009, 14:06

We all knew this crap about reaching an agreement before the end of December was a load of hot air.

Union should be ashamed of themselves.

johnnyp · Post by **johnnyp** » 23 Dec 2009, 14:21

I reckon it will drag on in to March myself

Ahebban · Post by **Ahebban** » 23 Dec 2009, 15:12

Dragging the talks out until April 1st seems appropriate to me!

Ahebban · Post by **Ahebban** » 23 Dec 2009, 15:38

I have to agree with TBT .. it is inexcusable that RM/CWU cannot make the effort to resume talks next week. In my opinion it is both disrespectful and insulting to members to delay in such a manner, compounded by the lack of information on where agreement has or has not been reached as well!

I would not be surprised if there is a call among RMC members for a smilie of Billy to replace our former chairman. He will be sitting in good company alongside Mandy and Adam.

Big Daz · Post by **Big Daz** » 23 Dec 2009, 16:00

LTB 1113/09 - Update on National Negotiations
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No: 1113/09 Ref: 23rd December 2009 To All Postal Branches

Dear Colleague UPDATE ON NATIONAL NEGOTIATIONS Please find attached a communication from Roger Poole the Independent Chair of the current national negotiations process. In this communication Roger explains that whilst progress is being made the national parties have agreed to extend the process into the New Year. The extension to the process has been confirmed on the same terms as the original interim agreement. We will be providing Branches and members with more detailed information early in the New Year.

Yours sincerely Dave Ward Deputy General Secretary (P) Martin Collins Assistant Secretary Bob Gibson Assistant Secretary Ray Ellis Assistant Secretary Terry Pullinger Assistant Secretary

Royal Mail Transformation Progress Report on Negotiations

Intensive negotiations have taken place since my last report. Groups covering Delivery, Processing, Network, RDCs, MDEC, Fleet and Maintenance Services and Engineering have all been meeting to discuss key topics and reach agreements on a complex and wide-ranging set of issues. Talks have also commenced about Reward with useful meetings taking place to negotiate and agree a new employee reward package. A separate group has also been looking at how a final agreement will be deployed. We have made good progress and many issues are agreed in principle, although there are some important issues still to be agreed. All agreements in principle are of course subject to what the final overall agreement looks like. Acas and I have been helping as necessary and have been encouraged by the constructive approach which both management and the union are taking towards the talks. At local level, review negotiations continue and good progress has been made with 411 out of 764 now concluded with agreements reached. The timescale we were set by the interim agreement was always going to be a challenging one. The priority has to be to reach good agreements which stick rather than quick agreements which unravel when implemented so we have allowed ourselves a short extension of the talks into the New Year. We will next meet formally on Tuesday 5 January and redouble our efforts to conclude an agreement by 22 January Groups may well be swapping drafts over the break but I hope they will all find time for a well-earned rest. I wish them and you seasons greetings and best wishes for 2010.

Roger Poole Independent Person

Post by **stokes11eg** » 23 Dec 2009, 16:19

''A new employee reward package?" is this another way of saying bonuses which are quite unachievable?
this is not what we went on strike for.

GHOSTman · Post by **GHOSTman** » 23 Dec 2009, 16:28

stokes11eg wrote: ''A new employee reward package?" is this another way of saying bonuses which are quite unachievable?
this is not what we went on strike for.

It could mean a number of things. Could be a £400 up front bribe to get us to vote yes to a bad deal. Maybe it'll be the 35 hour week. Weekly payment supplement for 5 or 6 door to door into work load. why am I feeling nervous about this deal!

Big Daz · Post by **Big Daz** » 23 Dec 2009, 16:31

There is no deal yet!!!!!!

The update says "there are some important issues still to be agreed."

jaja · Post by **jaja** » 23 Dec 2009, 16:32

Ahebban wrote:Dragging the talks out until April 1st seems appropriate to me!

I think its a load of bollox myself RM are going to do what they want anyway

Post by **dvbuk55** » 23 Dec 2009, 16:33

Even the die hards must surely look at this and think that the unions approach is entirely cavalier - and as for having a well earned rest FFS - it must be really tiring sat on their backside - but lets wish them all a merry Christmas.

Viewfindergeneral · Post by **Viewfindergeneral** » 23 Dec 2009, 16:43

I don't know about anyone else but I'm of the opinion that we should all take a day's unofficial action TOMORROW. I'm thoroughly pissed off with this bullshit and I think the time is ripe for the membership to draw the union leaders to the fact that we won't be pissed about any more. A short, sharp shock is what is needed to re-focus minds on the situation.

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