How do you see the future on deliveries

[OnAFlyer]

There are already massive differences in the time office spend on IPS. Some on here post that they spend 30-40 mins a day, whereas my office is a minimum of 1.30, most days it's 2hrs (6am-8am). So if walk sequencing took an hour off our IPS we'd still only be doing what other offices are yet would also be expected to do more work as we wouldn't be on IPS as long as we are now.

That's where all these local agreements are bullsh*t, the workloads throughout DO's vary massively.

As for all mail being in the office at 6 you're having a laugh, we have 3 more trips after that, the last one coming in after 7 - and we're about 5 minutes drive from the MC.

[DirtyHarry]

Saturdays is part of the USO i dont see it as stopping. However due to walk sequencing it will mean longer saturdays with some ofices finishing as late as 3

The union must resist any deterioration of Saturday attendance. We don't have much left, but ffs leave us our early finish at the end of a long hard week.

[DirtyHarry]

dingo,
i know your only playing devils advocate,but the irony is the membership should of been asked these questions/aspirations before negotiations took place,surely?
one of the problems i find,and others have commented on,is,not that the delivery span is necessarily long enough as it is,but as a business the workload actually increases as the week goes by,so rather than winding down if you like,your actually exhausted,yet at the same time gearing up for the heaviest day.
could this be addressed?
in terms of more d2ds,maybe do a delivery then go out with packets,do the contracts/business actually exist?
by longer saturdays,i presume you mean same hours as the rest of the week,but how/why would there be less?

Spot on. No way should saturday be a busy, or even, busiest, day of our working week. I finish at 1pm on saturdays, and after a long hard week, that's damn well late enough as it is.

[Big Daz]

Last mail arrival from the MC for my D.O is 0630.

Walksorted mail usually arrives early enough for those starting early to have it all thrown off by the time they are due on IPS at 06.10 am.

[2old4this]

I know we cant stop change, but it does sometimes look as if R/M has the union on it's side. I dont really know why dingo is asking us what we want.
The union called a meeting with us and then told us what is going to happen whether we liked it or not.

[Ahebban]

The figures you quote are total bollocks.
I'm sure you are sincere ,but just cos some RM clone gave you a print off with volumes and arrival times it don't make it true. No s**t Dingo, just cos it's written down in black and white it don't mean that it's real. One visit to a participating trial office will dispel your misconceptions.We've done sequencing trials for months now,long enough to iron out any statistically predictable variations ,and the stats you quoted are sheer bullshit.No offense ,but I think you need to query your source information

No offence, Belial, but can you supply figures from your source so that the forum can make the comparison with what Dingo has quoted?

I know people are going to say that trials are 'on-going' thus limiting reliable information. As an office rep, It is proving impossible for me to answer members' questions on walk sequenced mail because the information is variable, conflicting and very often an opinion and having no basis in fact at best. If indeed roll-out of WSMs is due early next year the membership need to be aware of the impact on delivery, especially those on family-friendly hours etc. Personally, I have seen only written testimony in respect of the capabilities of WSMs, and not what is achievable in the real world of RM.

I have copied the link below from Solystic's website which gives the sales spiel on its MARS machine and links to its STAR and flat-sorting machines ...

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Our DO is not large, and, without relocation, it is not feasible for van-sharing to be a consideration through lack of parking space as it would double our current van usage as a minimum. We have discussed various options and there is scope for increased use of HCT and the introduction (whenever/if ever) of electric transport over cycle duties.

It is difficult to evaluate the future impact on deliveries without accurate information on WSMs, ratio of F/T to P/T, new equipment, etc). I can envisage F/T staff spending more time prepping P/T deliveries in respect of indoor work and/or having longer delivery spans, albeit they are broken down to accommodate rest breaks to reduce fatigue.

Good reason why we need a National Agreement that is strong and yet flexible to endure what is going to be a difficult future for delivery postmen and postwomen, full- or part-time. It matters not what CWU HQ and RM think is best, it is the membership that will have the final say when it comes to ballot on the National Agreement.

[Martin Walsh]

Belial I have been to the Gatwick trial site and the Eastboune delivery office to see the entire process. I have also been to Stratford delivery office in East London which has had walk sequencing for 3 years.

So what part of the info do you disagree with ? I know what I saw and witnessed. Royal mail have changed their whole process in network , in mail centres going to one outward pass to allow for mail centres to concentrate on inward and the walk sequencing. Now I know we are all disagree with the info Royal Mail supply. But the issue is not the figures but when the mail is going to arrive in the delivery office or do you doubt that.
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[steven100]

The future of our jobs is bleak, Saturdays will continue with Hours ranging from 7am to 4pm. Probably the same as during the week. The hours will be dropped to 35 hrs but with no lunch break. Although i'm sure by law they have to give a break. Less postman on the streets with 2 walks being covered by 1 individual, 1 in the morning/early afternoon and 1 in the afternoon. The driving postman will be doing collections in the afternoon, these individuals will only be doing 1 delivery. Last pickup mail will be 4pm not 6pm from postboxes.
Mail centres will be amaligated into one large one. An example will be Glasgow/Edinburgh moving to one large office ie Bathgate.
Staff will consist of 60,000 full-time and 25,000 part-time. Bleak picture.

[fishtank]

The question if hourage is removed from the IPS which is now being sequenced and that only 60% of work is availible when it used to be 100% at 6 o clock what would you be willing to accept.

Longer spans with car derived vans for all walks over 1 mile from office ,
If 40% of work may not be available until 10.00am how will longer spans be achievable without radically changing attendance patterns.
CDVs bring with them their own problems like performance levels,B&H and the question no-one seems to be able to answer.What do you do with non-drivers?

Door to Door into work load with an on going pay supplement.
If this is moved into official workload why would you need longer delivery spans since my allocated prep time at the moment is 1hr30mins with WSM,this would need to be increased to accomadate increased D2D.
I will concede that WSM is a great help to reserves and new starts but is of little benefit to an experienced duty holder.
On IPS there is no saving moving from walksort to WSM,now if you believe that mail that could not previously be walksorted can suddenly be walksequenced, we have been told for years that eventually 85% of our mail would be walksorted where in truth we never even made 50%.
The alleged effieciences of WSM may come to fruition but i believe it is far too early to be selling our terms and conditions on the back of it's promises.

Longer saturdays in return for less Saturdays
WE all would like more Saturdays off.
But to be honest i like my rotational day off.
It allowes me flexibility to plan appointments and gives me a three day weekend every six weeks.
Also many members work six day weeks with a week off every six.
I would certainly not be willing to work longer on a saturday for something that would be of little benefit to me personally.
I fail to see how working longer on a saturday would protect full time jobs anyway.

[mailman71]

later saturdays are a joke,if royal mail are'nt prepared to gives us saturday off then we should instruct the union to do what they did in ireland in the late 60's early 70's thats strike every saturday till they got a monday to friday 5 day week.
when i first started we finished at 11am on a saturday ,now they are talking about possible 3pm or 4pm finishes what the f-ck is this all about.if crozier and co want us to work on a saturday till late then they should as well ,and also all the union men at the top should work a rotating 5 day week incuding a saturday with late finishes to.

[POSTMAN]

used to be 100% at 6 o clock

This bit confuses me Dingo,my MC is Nine Elms,we and many others get ( because The Elms has really gone down the toilet in the last few years) at times a 1/4 if not more of our work on our last coach between 8 and 9 depending on traffic ect.Even reg!

Any ideas where the walk sequencing machines would be put in SE Lon?

[Big Daz]

POSTMAN

I found out WS plans for my area through a freedom of information act request.

Why not fire off a load of questions?

[Ahebban]

The information I received via our Area Rep puts our DO towards the end of RMs 18-month phased introduction of WSM ... it will be interesting to see how well the National Agreement holds up given that time-scale.

[Big Daz]

My area is Late October 2011.

[careful]

well they could clone us all, when you are f..ked from 4 to 5 hour delivery spams, the dim will pick up the phone order a up grade with longer life spam