agreed in a perfect world that would be the case,but r/mail have now started putting charges in the suspension letter that makes that nigh on impossibleScarlet Pimpernell wrote:A while ago, one of my Collegues was suspended. And when it started to drag on a bit. He was asked if he was willing to work at another Office, until it was resolved. He took them up on the offer, and worked there for a couple of months. Before returning, when the investigation was completed, and they'd decided on a suitable punnishment.
Surely that's a better solution, than leaving someone off work. Worrying about what's going to happen to them, isn't it?
The accused (more often victim, these days) is able to keep busy. Which can help to take your mind off it. And RM aren't paying someone to stay at home. It's a win, win situation. Isn't it?
which is why they've done it . Their case is so cast iron , it's took so longlooking in wrote:agreed in a perfect world that would be the case,but r/mail have now started putting charges in the suspension letter that makes that nigh on impossibleScarlet Pimpernell wrote:A while ago, one of my Collegues was suspended. And when it started to drag on a bit. He was asked if he was willing to work at another Office, until it was resolved. He took them up on the offer, and worked there for a couple of months. Before returning, when the investigation was completed, and they'd decided on a suitable punnishment.
Surely that's a better solution, than leaving someone off work. Worrying about what's going to happen to them, isn't it?
The accused (more often victim, these days) is able to keep busy. Which can help to take your mind off it. And RM aren't paying someone to stay at home. It's a win, win situation. Isn't it?
You can't expect RM to do joined up thinking - they've got someone out of the building - they don't do irony or contradiction either i know this will not surprise you norbrt,i really think the union top brass should be investigating cases such as mine and especially the poor sods who are and are still being bullied 
,example i phoned london hq today got a voivemail to leave my name and number,you'v guessed it im still waiting,will i go away? no chance as il be back on the phone 2moro morning One thing that makes me chuckle is how they call a punishment an award.norbert wrote:they don't do irony or contradiction either
just the 1 mate,the fact finding that took 3months before i got itLa Poste wrote:How many interviews have you had?
The fact it has taken so long has got to be a good sign IMO.
If they had evidence they would have allready got rid of you so the longer they take the better.
One thing that makes me chuckle is how they call a punishment an award.norbert wrote:they don't do irony or contradiction either
"I will give a 2 year serious as an award"
Do I get a medal with that aswell?
which was itself quite a while agoand more likely to believe all the B/Slooking in wrote:easier said than done sharon...they love leaving people angling on a string
) interest to prove the charges against you as it will justify the fact that you were suspended in the first place. The idea of you having a free and open hearing having gone out the window by now. ) finds they do not have enough evidence to sack you in fact there is very little evidence at all.pretty much nail on head mate,3.50hrs for a lets see you hang yourself (f/finding)interview,iv no doubt wotsoever that the notes have been handed on to a lawyer,so why the 2 month+ delay,no ammended notes back and none of my witnesses interviewed,infact not even a reply from h/r to my question as to why none of my witnesses have been interviewed,YESi smell a pack of very large rats indeedLa Poste wrote:OK. So it's a fair enough assumption that the after you become suspended it is in the investigating officers (
So the months drag by and the case is built up against you. Evidence is viewed completely one sidedly and witnesses are interviewed to try to back up RMs version of events. You are sitting at home completely in the dark and are told not to contact anyone to do with the case. If you are lucky enough to have a good rep he/she will be helping by trying to find people to back up your side of the story but RM will probably say they don't want to hear this evidence as it is not relevent to the case.
Eventually the day comes when the investigating officer (
What happens then?
Do they sack you and say try your luck at a tribunal or maybe give you one of RMs bogus punishment awards just to cover their asses?
Is whoever brought the case against you answerable to someone, I mean you have been off for months and months and being paid, is someone in for a bollocking because they didn't have the evidence to get rid of you?
One more thing, do management actually take any notice of what the union says anymore. If the union says it looks like there is no case to answer will it make one scrap of difference.
A lot of questions I know but I don't know anywhere else to ask them.
Thanks.
yes i did this when i got my fact f notes mate,,was on the phone to the area rep again 2day asking if the union could or an independant group could interview these people,before the mists off time cloud their memory,absolutley staggering that after all this time iv only had a f/finding.........f/findings should be carried out after 2 weeks not 3 months,why the union dont jump on this breach of rmails guidelines il never knowLa Poste wrote:I wonder if it would be acceptable to interview your witnesses in the presence of a union rep or someone else and present the statements at a fact finding interview.
They probably would not accept them but at least a record would be made of the fact you requested them to. Just an idea.
The other thing ususally at the end of an interview you will be asked if there are any questions. You have to make sure that you request to have these people interviewed and it is written down although it sounds like you have allready done this.
la poste u have pm mateLa Poste wrote:My case has been running longer than that. I have had three interviews now. Witnesses have been interviewed twice and the guy who put the complaint in three times. RM want to paint me as an aggressive abusive harasser whereas all the witnesses say I have allways been friendly, polite but maybe a little cheeky at times.
The guy who put the complaint is is lying through his teeth and there are so many contradictions in his statements it is not true but deep down I don't think it will make a lot of difference as they want me gone.
It all boils down to the manager being able to say "I had a reasonable suspicion that the alleged events took place". Even though three witnesses say they didn't.
This is why I'm interested in finding out just how far RM can push these cases, are they answerable to anyone in the long run. I know there will allways be an employment tribunal at the end but I think they only look at proceedure and not at the conclusions RM have come to from the evidence available.
I need to read more about defending myself at an employment tribunal particularly the area where I think RM's conclusions judged by the evidence are wrong.