SENIORITY RULE..

[krussel]

We only use true seniority on a re-pick now. Its not always liked but is the fairest way. The longer you stay the better choice you get.

every duty should be fair so it should ny matter wot pick you get!!

Every duty may be 3.5hrs (or whatever the local arrangement is) but Council Estates won't get as much Christmas Tips as Leafy suburbia - thats why I support Seniority (ps 6 years in I have less seniority than some of the PTs in my DO).

Concerning the tips ive found the opposite. My customers have a very privilege lifestyle and are nice enough but really don’t tip that well. On some of the estates I ve found that although people may give less (£3 instead of £5 or £10) you get a lot more per street come christmas time. Some of the best tipping walks in my office are on estates and the worse large detached houses.

[krussel]

We only use true seniority on a re-pick now. Its not always liked but is the fairest way. The longer you stay the better choice you get.

every duty should be fair so it should ny matter wot pick you get!!

Yes that’s true to a point. Its personal choice really as some people love the short compact estates and others prefer longer rural. My seniority is over 20 years and my walk normally takes over 4 hours and on a re-pick I could easily take a 3 hour estate walk from a 5 year postie but I prefer the area which I deliver too.

[infidel]

17 years on the street /also split shifts as reserve,now been rural delivery 8years ,office works with seniority has no
complaints only issues on here is junior staff who think they are hard done by,with the rare exception long service
posties have earned the right to be where they are ,being trained by senior members is worth its weight in gold compared to the rubbish {and there is plenty} nowdays.Seniority is a good thing if you learn to work with it and understand why it is there.

[prowler]

seniority a load of old cobblers

I agree, better to give the jobs to the brown-nosers and the runaround merchants.

[dvbuk55]

Can I ask something about seniority - maybe for the people who have worked for royal mail for longer times. When you started, how long did it take to get your own walk? I'm assuming turn over of staff was less when people were happier at work, so did it take a long time even then before you had your own duty? I have found since joining royal mail, a couple of years ago, that although staff have left at my office, due to the reduction in hours they don't get replaced and therefore I haven't moved up the seniority rankings at all. I don't think I will ever get to a position of having my own duty, which although I don't mind swapping walks a lot, the thought of never having a proper rota which is done in advance is depressing to say the least. I know everyone has to do their time in the reserves team, just wondered how long and whether it is a longer or shorter time now than in previous times.

Thanks.

Well it isn't a simple question to answer and there are a multitude of situations which would affect the equation:

The age of the current staff
If there is any development within your area requiring recruitment
Attrition
Employment situation (not good at the moment)

Many on here state that it is old men who are at the top of the tree but that is not true. I am 63 and have been here 20+ years, I am in the top 25 out of 160 or so - of those 24 above me, all are younger than I am - it is a question of service and not age. A larger office would have a greater attrition through sackings, leaving, retirement either by age or ill health. It really is a question of hanging on - your turn will come.

[infidel]

must be murder being jealous or is it envy,hope you last as long.

[Big Daz]

Can I ask something about seniority - maybe for the people who have worked for royal mail for longer times. When you started, how long did it take to get your own walk? I'm assuming turn over of staff was less when people were happier at work, so did it take a long time even then before you had your own duty? I have found since joining royal mail, a couple of years ago, that although staff have left at my office, due to the reduction in hours they don't get replaced and therefore I haven't moved up the seniority rankings at all. I don't think I will ever get to a position of having my own duty, which although I don't mind swapping walks a lot, the thought of never having a proper rota which is done in advance is depressing to say the least. I know everyone has to do their time in the reserves team, just wondered how long and whether it is a longer or shorter time now than in previous times.

Thanks.

Straight away, all deliveries/duties were in groups of three or four when I started. Straight into the three duty cadet group along with my patrol leader from Scouts. That was 1991 and since then in 2002 we moved to a two week rotate with no groups and last year we moved to fixed duties.

[Pat Ostman]

must be murder being jealous or is it envy,hope you last as long.

Was that aimed at me or someone else?

[fishtank]

Can I ask something about seniority - maybe for the people who have worked for royal mail for longer times. When you started, how long did it take to get your own walk? I'm assuming turn over of staff was less when people were happier at work, so did it take a long time even then before you had your own duty? I have found since joining royal mail, a couple of years ago, that although staff have left at my office, due to the reduction in hours they don't get replaced and therefore I haven't moved up the seniority rankings at all. I don't think I will ever get to a position of having my own duty, which although I don't mind swapping walks a lot, the thought of never having a proper rota which is done in advance is depressing to say the least. I know everyone has to do their time in the reserves team, just wondered how long and whether it is a longer or shorter time now than in previous times.

Thanks.

Well it isn't a simple question to answer and there are a multitude of situations which would affect the equation:

The age of the current staff
If there is any development within your area requiring recruitment
Attrition
Employment situation (not good at the moment)

Many on here state that it is old men who are at the top of the tree but that is not true. I am 63 and have been here 20+ years, I am in the top 25 out of 160 or so - of those 24 above me, all are younger than I am - it is a question of service and not age. A larger office would have a greater attrition through sackings, leaving, retirement either by age or ill health. It really is a question of hanging on - your turn will come.

I would not be too sure
Longer deliveries next year mean even less duties to pick from.
I know of reserves already with 7/8 years service who are unlikely to get a duty next year.
Seniority is flawed but the alternatives...........

[infidel]

ado128 ,ips he talks cobblers.

[dvbuk55]

Can I ask something about seniority - maybe for the people who have worked for royal mail for longer times. When you started, how long did it take to get your own walk? I'm assuming turn over of staff was less when people were happier at work, so did it take a long time even then before you had your own duty? I have found since joining royal mail, a couple of years ago, that although staff have left at my office, due to the reduction in hours they don't get replaced and therefore I haven't moved up the seniority rankings at all. I don't think I will ever get to a position of having my own duty, which although I don't mind swapping walks a lot, the thought of never having a proper rota which is done in advance is depressing to say the least. I know everyone has to do their time in the reserves team, just wondered how long and whether it is a longer or shorter time now than in previous times.

Thanks.

Well it isn't a simple question to answer and there are a multitude of situations which would affect the equation:

The age of the current staff
If there is any development within your area requiring recruitment
Attrition
Employment situation (not good at the moment)

Many on here state that it is old men who are at the top of the tree but that is not true. I am 63 and have been here 20+ years, I am in the top 25 out of 160 or so - of those 24 above me, all are younger than I am - it is a question of service and not age. A larger office would have a greater attrition through sackings, leaving, retirement either by age or ill health. It really is a question of hanging on - your turn will come.

I would not be too sure
Longer deliveries next year mean even less duties to pick from.
I know of reserves already with 7/8 years service who are unlikely to get a duty next year.
Seniority is flawed but the alternatives...........

Well that's a valid point but on a vacancy situation it should still go on seniority, on a resign there are more variables than fleas on a hedgehog and I wouldn't like to guess how many duties out of a full resign would be up for grabs. Our office currently has 30 duties not assigned mainly due to the fact that it cannot be agreed how many hours they should be - still you know what big pussies we are we cave in at our earliest convenience, now I wonder where we get that from?

[matt3c]

Seniority is stupid... I hope every1 senior than me dies so i can be the most senior then i can come on here and moan that someone said something to me which i didnt like because im so senior, we all get paid the same should do the same.

[krussel]

I hope every1 senior than me dies so i can be the most senior

Very charming and festive, goodwill to all men, merry Christmas.

[Godric]

Can I ask something about seniority - maybe for the people who have worked for royal mail for longer times. When you started, how long did it take to get your own walk? I'm assuming turn over of staff was less when people were happier at work, so did it take a long time even then before you had your own duty? I have found since joining royal mail, a couple of years ago, that although staff have left at my office, due to the reduction in hours they don't get replaced and therefore I haven't moved up the seniority rankings at all. I don't think I will ever get to a position of having my own duty, which although I don't mind swapping walks a lot, the thought of never having a proper rota which is done in advance is depressing to say the least. I know everyone has to do their time in the reserves team, just wondered how long and whether it is a longer or shorter time now than in previous times.

Thanks.

2 years but i was still getting shifted about because i knew all the walking deliveries including full time one and it wasnt till 1998 - 8 years in till i stayed on the 1 delivery ... which iam roughly still doing today with some changes

[razor]

Sometimes you can get lucky. When I started 2 years ago I was put on a vacant round for training. It's the longest walk in the office but I wasn't bothered and after about 3 months the walk was advertised. I applied for it and got it.

It's the only walk i have ever done for RM and i have basically had it since my first day.