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Sure we can

Postal workers discussion forum. Discuss the day to day life in a Blue Shirt.
borders
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Re: Sure we can

Post by borders »

Night Tonic wrote:Nothing innovative about attitude and pride in what you do, except where these words meant nothing to an individual in the first place.
and i am sure you are going to get this from a workforce paid the minimum wage, on short term contracts with poor conditions and no pensions etc, etc. by the way you must be surely near to collecting all your nice pensions , eh ??
"why should it just be the bankers, politicians and the idle rich who get all the best things ? we demand a standard of living for our members that enables them to share in the fine wines and times that the likes of Cameron and his Eton buddies take for granted " - the late great Bob Crow RIP.
Scarlet Pimpernell
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Re: Sure we can

Post by Scarlet Pimpernell »

wingmanchillian wrote:personally at our office it isn't a case of "doing the bare minimum" its a case of the work load being to great to complete consistently without personal injury no matter how hard we try.
Precisely! I think I speak for the majority of us, when I say that we all work very hard to get the job done. But what we're not prepared to do, is cut corners (with either quality or H&S), or work extra hours for free. But there are still a lot of people left, who're willing to work past their time and/or come in early, carry too much weight, use unsafe drop points, use their cars, etc., etc., etc.. And that gives the Managers the ammunition, to put those of us who work hard, but properly, do do the same. :hmmmm
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peejay14
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Re: Sure we can

Post by peejay14 »

If you are indeed a manager, Night tonic, as many on here assume you are, then you are not helping your own cause either. Your attitude, displayed in your posts, will get us nowhere either. The management must hear the concerns of the work force, and vice versa of course. Then hopefully, after ACAS has brought the children back from their naughty corners, an agreement can be made that rescues our reputation as the best and most trusted.

There just seem to be so many hurdles in the way, guys. Competition rules, government betrayal, poor quality footwear, rusty bikes, pension inequalities, transport, web sites, aches and pains... ...

Will striking solve all our problems or just add to them? Is it possible to squeeze all the contributions on a board such as this onto placards and banners? No. Does anybody seriously choose strike over work without good reason? No. But surely if there are good reasons for working, then they must be put before reasons for striking. Let's use our voices and not our ballots to help the situation we find ourselves in. Let's not lose out ourselves in a battle that clearly we have no effective say in anyway. Problems aren't resolved by walking away from them, that is not the sum effort of all our skills and attributes, and not the best way to show to those we would like the support of that we care and that we are trying our level best.

I'm all for making a fuss, but one that will keep the focus on us and not surgically remove us from the process, ie asking us to wait outside while behind closed doors our futures are rewritten. I say take it to the management in a constructive way, together, united as one (the only way to do that would seem to be through the CWU), and work through the crisis sensibly and steadily. Together we can achieve anything. The management would be more afraid (though that is their flaw, they need a healthy respect not fear) of a work force committed to doing things properly that stayed strong and didn't shy away from standing up for and working towards their targets. We are an easier target out on the picket line, but in the office a determined and resolute work force is a different proposition all together.

The management want a work force of yes-men and women that does whatever it asks, no questions returned. The management doesn't want a work force out on strike, but at least when we are out there we are open to attack and the management have a problem that they can manipulate and, well, manage. The management really doesn't want an angry and determined work force that refuses to go away and keeps at them with fair opposition and constructive criticism, since such a challenge to any notions they have of having it all their own way would make things a lot more interesting in the office for everyone. The office would be a more dynamic, a more electric, a more object driven, a more goal orientated, a more scientific, a more informed, a more rational, and a more equal playing field. With results that staff, management and customers could all have trust in, and with a more rigorous culture of getting the job done, I'm sure that we would all regain our confidence in Royal Mail.

I'd much rather be there than where we are just now, and where we just passed through, because I do not know where we are going. It's never to late.
clashcityrocker
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Re: Sure we can

Post by clashcityrocker »

peejay14 wrote:
There's no need to read these posts of mine,
That's a relief.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
dvbuk55
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Re: Sure we can

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Wha.................. have I missed something
fishtank
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Re: Sure we can

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In the words of Harry Truman "If you can't convince them,confuse them" :cuppa
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
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Re: Sure we can

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fishtank wrote:In the words of Harry Truman "If you can't convince them,confuse them" :cuppa
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clashcityrocker
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Re: Sure we can

Post by clashcityrocker »

Or:Always be sincere, even if you don't mean it.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
clashcityrocker
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Re: Sure we can

Post by clashcityrocker »

Or: Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
I think we were getting off topic but this one brings us right back to the original post.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
Lounge Lizard
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Re: Sure we can

Post by Lounge Lizard »

fishtank wrote:In the words of Harry Truman "If you can't convince them,confuse them" :cuppa
Or Roosevelt "Repetition doesn't transform a lie into a truth" :Very Happy
Ernie Shoe
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Re: Sure we can

Post by Ernie Shoe »

peejay14 wrote:If you are indeed a manager, Night tonic, as many on here assume you are, then you are not helping your own cause either. Your attitude, displayed in your posts, will get us nowhere either. The management must hear the concerns of the work force, and vice versa of course. Then hopefully, after ACAS has brought the children back from their naughty corners, an agreement can be made that rescues our reputation as the best and most trusted.

There just seem to be so many hurdles in the way, guys. Competition rules, government betrayal, poor quality footwear, rusty bikes, pension inequalities, transport, web sites, aches and pains... ...

Will striking solve all our problems or just add to them? Is it possible to squeeze all the contributions on a board such as this onto placards and banners? No. Does anybody seriously choose strike over work without good reason? No. But surely if there are good reasons for working, then they must be put before reasons for striking. Let's use our voices and not our ballots to help the situation we find ourselves in. Let's not lose out ourselves in a battle that clearly we have no effective say in anyway. Problems aren't resolved by walking away from them, that is not the sum effort of all our skills and attributes, and not the best way to show to those we would like the support of that we care and that we are trying our level best.

I'm all for making a fuss, but one that will keep the focus on us and not surgically remove us from the process, ie asking us to wait outside while behind closed doors our futures are rewritten. I say take it to the management in a constructive way, together, united as one (the only way to do that would seem to be through the CWU), and work through the crisis sensibly and steadily. Together we can achieve anything. The management would be more afraid (though that is their flaw, they need a healthy respect not fear) of a work force committed to doing things properly that stayed strong and didn't shy away from standing up for and working towards their targets. We are an easier target out on the picket line, but in the office a determined and resolute work force is a different proposition all together.

The management want a work force of yes-men and women that does whatever it asks, no questions returned. The management doesn't want a work force out on strike, but at least when we are out there we are open to attack and the management have a problem that they can manipulate and, well, manage. The management really doesn't want an angry and determined work force that refuses to go away and keeps at them with fair opposition and constructive criticism, since such a challenge to any notions they have of having it all their own way would make things a lot more interesting in the office for everyone. The office would be a more dynamic, a more electric, a more object driven, a more goal orientated, a more scientific, a more informed, a more rational, and a more equal playing field. With results that staff, management and customers could all have trust in, and with a more rigorous culture of getting the job done, I'm sure that we would all regain our confidence in Royal Mail.

I'd much rather be there than where we are just now, and where we just passed through, because I do not know where we are going. It's never to late.

I'm going to print this off and read it with my mug of Horlicks tonight. Thanks a lot! :cuppa
Ernie Shoe
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Re: Sure we can

Post by Ernie Shoe »

peejay14 wrote:If you are indeed a manager, Night tonic, as many on here assume you are, then you are not helping your own cause either. Your attitude, displayed in your posts, will get us nowhere either. The management must hear the concerns of the work force, and vice versa of course. Then hopefully, after ACAS has brought the children back from their naughty corners, an agreement can be made that rescues our reputation as the best and most trusted.

There just seem to be so many hurdles in the way, guys. Competition rules, government betrayal, poor quality footwear, rusty bikes, pension inequalities, transport, web sites, aches and pains... ...

Will striking solve all our problems or just add to them? Is it possible to squeeze all the contributions on a board such as this onto placards and banners? No. Does anybody seriously choose strike over work without good reason? No. But surely if there are good reasons for working, then they must be put before reasons for striking. Let's use our voices and not our ballots to help the situation we find ourselves in. Let's not lose out ourselves in a battle that clearly we have no effective say in anyway. Problems aren't resolved by walking away from them, that is not the sum effort of all our skills and attributes, and not the best way to show to those we would like the support of that we care and that we are trying our level best.

I'm all for making a fuss, but one that will keep the focus on us and not surgically remove us from the process, ie asking us to wait outside while behind closed doors our futures are rewritten. I say take it to the management in a constructive way, together, united as one (the only way to do that would seem to be through the CWU), and work through the crisis sensibly and steadily. Together we can achieve anything. The management would be more afraid (though that is their flaw, they need a healthy respect not fear) of a work force committed to doing things properly that stayed strong and didn't shy away from standing up for and working towards their targets. We are an easier target out on the picket line, but in the office a determined and resolute work force is a different proposition all together.

The management want a work force of yes-men and women that does whatever it asks, no questions returned. The management doesn't want a work force out on strike, but at least when we are out there we are open to attack and the management have a problem that they can manipulate and, well, manage. The management really doesn't want an angry and determined work force that refuses to go away and keeps at them with fair opposition and constructive criticism, since such a challenge to any notions they have of having it all their own way would make things a lot more interesting in the office for everyone. The office would be a more dynamic, a more electric, a more object driven, a more goal orientated, a more scientific, a more informed, a more rational, and a more equal playing field. With results that staff, management and customers could all have trust in, and with a more rigorous culture of getting the job done, I'm sure that we would all regain our confidence in Royal Mail.

I'd much rather be there than where we are just now, and where we just passed through, because I do not know where we are going. It's never to late.

you've clearly ( or maybe still are) from an office environment.
I used to work with people who spoke that corporate language - 360 degree feedback, hit the ground running etc.

If you're not on a wind up then cut out the corporate crap and people might even take you seriously.
dvbuk55
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Re: Sure we can

Post by dvbuk55 »

Ernie Shoe wrote:If you're not on a wind up then cut out the corporate crap and people might even take you seriously.
;liar ;liar
DirtyHarry
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Re: Sure we can

Post by DirtyHarry »

dvbuk55 wrote:
DirtyHarry wrote:
Night Tonic wrote:Absolutely right PeeJay but this is the "I'll only do the bare minimum and only care about my own wage packet" forum.
When I come up on the lottery, can I have you and PeedmyPants as my butler and chauffeur? Oh, please say you both will, as I want to make absolutely sure that I'll have two quaintly old-fashioned, know their place types, really busting their balls for the £5 an hour I'll be paying you, because you'll both be ever so glad that you at least have a job. If not, I'll have to hire decent people, and pay them a decent wage, damn-it. :Very Happy
Only if I can do your laundry :wave :Very Happy
Your on! :Very Happy
DirtyHarry
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Re: Sure we can

Post by DirtyHarry »

Night Tonic wrote:Nothing innovative about attitude and pride in what you do, except where these words meant nothing to an individual in the first place.
I'm afraid pride in your job, and attitudes towards working for Royal Mail, both go down the proverbial toilet when we have the bosses we have.
Once upon a time, I would have unhesitatingly said, "I'm proud to be a postman, I'm proud to work for Royal Mail." Not anymore, chum.
My attitude, the lack of any pride about what I do for a living, all thanks to the management, nobody else, but all due to the management, from Adam Crozier at the very top, to the fish-out-of-water, that sadly is my current DIM. They must take all the credit, every ounce of it, oh, and not forgetting the inappropriately titled Labour government, hell-bent on making me and thousands like me, another statistic as regards unemployment figures, no matter how well I do my job, or not, no matter how proud I am to work for them, or not.