London says yes to further strikes

[fishtank]

"35 hr week at a higher basic pay"

Not a particularly higher basic pay tamsky,a higher hourly rate,not the same thing unfortunately.

[Tamsky]

over the 3 year period our basic pay would be higher - not only hourly rate.

[flaminmoses]

how would anything be different today if the Friday and Monday strikes had gone ahead?

There seems to be two issues here - Are RM serious about the Interim agreement? - I don't see that they are.

Are RM now talking to the CWU about completing Phase 4 of the Pay and Modernisation Agreement?. National Officers are reporting that they are. The Outdoor Secy is confident of securing a 3 year deal which will result in a 35 hr week at a higher basic pay and protecting predominantly full time jobs in delivery. I thought that is what the National Strike was about.

Would members now support Xmas strikes - a vocal minority would, a silent majority would go along out of loyalty to the Union and a tiny minority will scab as they always do. Would it change the position in delivery? I don't see that it would.

no meal breaks??
er thats breaking health and saftey and employemtn law and more than likely eu law as well

[dvbuk55]

We are a strong union, we can break management and we can break the government

If we were that strong a union then we could call an all out indefinite strike.We can't because it would not hold.
I do not remember being asked if I supported strike action AND breaking the government.I do not think this is part of the CWU's mandate.Certainly I would not support it to put Cameron in power.
And you do not answer the question - how would anything be different today if the Friday and Monday strikes had gone ahead? Although many on here like to say we were on the verge of victory,no-one has explained exactly how.What exactly would have happened on Tuesday if the strikes had gone ahead?

maybe if the union had stuck it out instead of telling us to return to work with nothing more then the promise of more talks we wouldn't now be faced with even more strikes. i think everyone but the union could see what was going to happen r/m were going to clear the bag log get xmas out of the way and then continue with what they were doing. as thing's now stand we have rep's coming on here asking......... "are you up for it"......... we showed we were up for it...... it's a pity they wasn't..... thing's are in a mess now more so then before. the union only has to look in a mirror to see who to blame.

Absolutely! The scale of the yes vote and the scale of the pickets, much bigger than 2007, showed that the workforce WAS up for it - but I don't believe they are up for it now.

I remember a well known rep saying that "this is nothing like 2007" well it is exactly like 2007, well actually it is worse we have got absolutely nothing out of this except the usual wags on here saying "well we needed to know that RM wouldn't keep their end of the bargain" - I am sure most of the membership could have told them that BEFORE they sat at the table.

As for what would have happened if the strikes had been continued - there was never any danger of that because the CWU didn't and still do not want IA.

The strikes would have created a bigger backlog and more strikes to follow those would have forced greater concessions perhaps a joint working group and brought the Government in to tackle the pension deficit. We shouldn't forget that it is currently costing 287 million a year just to service that deficit - money which could be wage rises and investment. Once again the union has let Royal Mail and this Government off the hook and left the membership to pick up the pieces. As for a deal by early December - those who supported this stupid scheme deserve all they're going to get.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

how would anything be different today if the Friday and Monday strikes had gone ahead?

There seems to be two issues here - Are RM serious about the Interim agreement? - I don't see that they are.

Are RM now talking to the CWU about completing Phase 4 of the Pay and Modernisation Agreement?. National Officers are reporting that they are. The Outdoor Secy is confident of securing a 3 year deal which will result in a 35 hr week at a higher basic pay and protecting predominantly full time jobs in delivery. I thought that is what the National Strike was about.

Would members now support Xmas strikes - a vocal minority would, a silent majority would go along out of loyalty to the Union and a tiny minority will scab as they always do. Would it change the position in delivery? I don't see that it would.

no meal breaks??
er thats breaking health and saftey and employemtn law and more than likely eu law as well

Not no breaks - but not being paid for them as we are now.

I for one would have to have think long and hard and be convinced that the whole deal was a good one for the long run before I gave up 5 x 40 minute breaks paid, to gain an 1hr 40 minute reduction in a working week. A higher basic salary wont work unless I am on a higher take home pay than now and with inflation etc taken into account.

[dvbuk55]

how would anything be different today if the Friday and Monday strikes had gone ahead?

There seems to be two issues here - Are RM serious about the Interim agreement? - I don't see that they are.

Are RM now talking to the CWU about completing Phase 4 of the Pay and Modernisation Agreement?. National Officers are reporting that they are. The Outdoor Secy is confident of securing a 3 year deal which will result in a 35 hr week at a higher basic pay and protecting predominantly full time jobs in delivery. I thought that is what the National Strike was about.

Would members now support Xmas strikes - a vocal minority would, a silent majority would go along out of loyalty to the Union and a tiny minority will scab as they always do. Would it change the position in delivery? I don't see that it would.

no meal breaks??
er thats breaking health and saftey and employemtn law and more than likely eu law as well

Not no breaks - but not being paid for them as we are now.

I for one would have to have think long and hard and be convinced that the whole deal was a good one for the long run before I gave up 5 x 40 minute breaks paid, to gain an 1hr 40 minute reduction in a working week. A higher basic salary wont work unless I am on a higher take home pay than now and with inflation etc taken into account.

I can't wait to hear the trumpeting "we got you a 35 hour week" no more money of course, plenty more work, - pension - still under review, D2Ds - still under review, no strike clause - we thought it in your best interests

[k979aaa]

how would anything be different today if the Friday and Monday strikes had gone ahead?

There seems to be two issues here - Are RM serious about the Interim agreement? - I don't see that they are.

Are RM now talking to the CWU about completing Phase 4 of the Pay and Modernisation Agreement?. National Officers are reporting that they are. The Outdoor Secy is confident of securing a 3 year deal which will result in a 35 hr week at a higher basic pay and protecting predominantly full time jobs in delivery. I thought that is what the National Strike was about.

Would members now support Xmas strikes - a vocal minority would, a silent majority would go along out of loyalty to the Union and a tiny minority will scab as they always do. Would it change the position in delivery? I don't see that it would.

no meal breaks??
er thats breaking health and saftey and employemtn law and more than likely eu law as well

Not no breaks - but not being paid for them as we are now.

I for one would have to have think long and hard and be convinced that the whole deal was a good one for the long run before I gave up 5 x 40 minute breaks paid, to gain an 1hr 40 minute reduction in a working week. A higher basic salary wont work unless I am on a higher take home pay than now and with inflation etc taken into account.

I can't wait to hear the trumpeting "we got you a 35 hour week" no more money of course, plenty more work, - pension - still under review, D2Ds - still under review, no strike clause - we thought it in your best interests

If that is the case it would be a defeat for all i know and we all must know that a thirty five hour week without loss of breaks as they stand is the only way forward! royalmail can afford this and more. As for bullying it is a sad reflection of the rush for bounses earned of posties backs by the few who will benefit from having their pensions enhanced with bounses that make workloads unachievable and as such like the greedy bankers they should pay it back and reverse those unworkable practices!.

[POSTMAN]

PEC met today didn't they,what's happening?

[dvbuk55]

PEC met today didn't they,what's happening?

Don't tell me you haven't received your glass ball from the smoke?

[POSTMAN]

PEC met today didn't they,what's happening?

Don't tell me you haven't received your glass ball from the smoke?

Feck all mate,i usually get a text or watnot but got nuffin
Sources have dried up......................or hiding

[spilie]

Dingo where are you?

[Martin Walsh]

Pec have today agreed in principle to more strike action subject to the outcome of the formal review on Thursday. The PEC will meet Monday to discuss protential strike dates.

[Stormproof]

Oh well it'll soon be xmas/new year

[RoyalQuest]

Pec have today agreed in principle to more strike action subject to the outcome of the formal review on Thursday. The PEC will meet Monday to discuss protential strike dates.

If the outcome from the review on thursday is not satisfactory then why wait till Monday?? The way it's going it will be Christmas eve and they will still be reviewing.

[RoyalQuest]

but is it to late? Christmas is SO close, members and public support will be at an all time low.