London says yes to further strikes

[clashcityrocker]

How was defeat snatched from the jaws of victory?
If the strike action for Friday and Monday had not been called off how would the situation be any different today?
Is striking going to prevent another 60,000 job losses?
Isn't our only hope to have our union involved in the speed of change?
Change has happened and will continue to happen.Thinking strike action is going to prevent it, is head in the sand politics.

[Lincox]

Head in the sand politics is to believe that this management has any intentions of allowing our union to have any input into the changes that they are embarking on. The only way that this union will have any say is by the withdrawal of our labour and forcing a change in the attitudes of the people in this country, that unless they are prepared to support our fight, the services that they get now will be totally thrown away forever. If this can be achieved then there is a real chance that this despotic management will be overthrown, and a new broom come in that we can properly engage with. To think that we can change the current incumbents is head in the sand politics.

[Red Postie]

How was defeat snatched from the jaws of victory?
If the strike action for Friday and Monday had not been called off how would the situation be any different today?
Is striking going to prevent another 60,000 job losses?
Isn't our only hope to have our union involved in the speed of change?
Change has happened and will continue to happen.Thinking strike action is going to prevent it, is head in the sand politics.

We are a strong union, we can break management and we can break the government if they continue to back them. To do that we need to build solidarity and escalate the strike, not drop it! It is up to members to push for the action to revive it, a hard argument in some areas no doubt (sympathies to those in such areas) but with London out, we have the strength.

[fishtank]

How was defeat snatched from the jaws of victory?
If the strike action for Friday and Monday had not been called off how would the situation be any different today?
Is striking going to prevent another 60,000 job losses?
Isn't our only hope to have our union involved in the speed of change?
Change has happened and will continue to happen.Thinking strike action is going to prevent it, is head in the sand politics.

"Isn't our only hope to have our union involved in the speed of change?"

Yes ccr and i believe in the tooth fairy and santa clause and the BNP changing it's membership policies.

[rogue]

what we are witnessing is again another very clever plan from royal mail in their divide and conquer tactics.
in london it is clear that at the moment royal mail have no intention of abiding by the agreement but at the same time royal mail are bending over backwards to make the agreement work in Anglia.
we should be clever enough at our headquarters to see through this and involve acas and the tuc to show royal mail for what they are.
i can only hope that all divisions support london and our headquarters so all are treated the same .

[fishtank]

what we are witnessing is again another very clever plan from royal mail in their divide and conquer tactics.
in london it is clear that at the moment royal mail have no intention of abiding by the agreement but at the same time royal mail are bending over backwards to make the agreement work in Anglia.
we should be clever enough at our headquarters to see through this and involve acas and the tuc to show royal mail for what they are.
i can only hope that all divisions support london and our headquarters so all are treated the same .

I can't speak for Anglia but judging by the posts on this forum there is very little evidence of RM bending over backwards anywhere.
This is not an attempt by RM to divide and conquer.They simply want to conquer.
I Know it is hard to believe but London are not the only division to petition the PEC to re-instate the I/A.

[flaminmoses]

this was inevitable.
we have showed the tuc we were willing to go play ball.

now what will royal mails excuse be this time??

think someone might be getting the sack very soon.

[Ernie Shoe]

what we are witnessing is again another very clever plan from royal mail in their divide and conquer tactics.
in london it is clear that at the moment royal mail have no intention of abiding by the agreement but at the same time royal mail are bending over backwards to make the agreement work in Anglia.
we should be clever enough at our headquarters to see through this and involve acas and the tuc to show royal mail for what they are.
i can only hope that all divisions support london and our headquarters so all are treated the same .

Thames Valley have seen in increase in bullying, harrassment, no overtime, stupid levels of absorbtion since this "agreement".

[thehappyones]

How MANY managers have lost their jobs in all this modernization.........speaking for GMC our managers have increased what about the rest of you

[dvbuk55]

We are a strong union, we can break management and we can break the government if they continue to back them. To do that we need to build solidarity and escalate the strike, not drop it! It is up to members to push for the action to revive it, a hard argument in some areas no doubt (sympathies to those in such areas) but with London out, we have the strength.

I may be a little naive here but I didn't see Royal Mail rushing to the table when London went on strike, nor Scotland, Bristol, Peterborough et seq BUT as soon as a National Ballot was called they certainly paid attention and did come to the table.

Now to put things in perspective, most areas had lost just two days pay when the strikes were called off, other areas had indeed lost 10, 12 15, 18, 23 days pay in the previous 6 months and in order to save any more losses the strikes were called off as soon as a "carrot" was dangled and certain areas thought there was a done deal.

By the reception that got you could tell it was an unpopular decision but you still had the diehards quoting victory and thinking that there had been concessions and RM was going to bow down realised within in 4 days that the stark reality was quite different.

I wouldn't like to forecast a result but if I was the CWU I would be very very very wary of reinstating strikes BUT are THEY up for it. I see people talk the talk on here to suit their own circumstances.

[foger]

I think we should go on strike a few days before Christmas. That way the public will get most of their stuff and wont be too pissed off, and also they will have another Christmas when we decide to come back. Easter sounds good to me. :lfo :cfo :mfo

[clashcityrocker]

We are a strong union, we can break management and we can break the government

If we were that strong a union then we could call an all out indefinite strike.We can't because it would not hold.
I do not remember being asked if I supported strike action AND breaking the government.I do not think this is part of the CWU's mandate.Certainly I would not support it to put Cameron in power.
And you do not answer the question - how would anything be different today if the Friday and Monday strikes had gone ahead? Although many on here like to say we were on the verge of victory,no-one has explained exactly how.What exactly would have happened on Tuesday if the strikes had gone ahead?

[kwikpost]

We are a strong union, we can break management and we can break the government

If we were that strong a union then we could call an all out indefinite strike.We can't because it would not hold.
I do not remember being asked if I supported strike action AND breaking the government.I do not think this is part of the CWU's mandate.Certainly I would not support it to put Cameron in power.
And you do not answer the question - how would anything be different today if the Friday and Monday strikes had gone ahead? Although many on here like to say we were on the verge of victory,no-one has explained exactly how.What exactly would have happened on Tuesday if the strikes had gone ahead?

maybe if the union had stuck it out instead of telling us to return to work with nothing more then the promise of more talk's we wouldn't now be faced with even more strike's. i think everyone but the union could see what was going to happen r/m were going to clear the bag log get xmas out of the way and then continue with what they were doing. as thing's now stand we have rep's coming on here asking......... "are you up for it"......... we showed we were up for it...... it's a pity they wasn't..... thing's are in a mess now more so then before. the union only has to look in a mirror to see who to blame.

[Tamsky]

how would anything be different today if the Friday and Monday strikes had gone ahead?

There seems to be two issues here - Are RM serious about the Interim agreement? - I don't see that they are.

Are RM now talking to the CWU about completing Phase 4 of the Pay and Modernisation Agreement?. National Officers are reporting that they are. The Outdoor Secy is confident of securing a 3 year deal which will result in a 35 hr week at a higher basic pay and protecting predominantly full time jobs in delivery. I thought that is what the National Strike was about.

Would members now support Xmas strikes - a vocal minority would, a silent majority would go along out of loyalty to the Union and a tiny minority will scab as they always do. Would it change the position in delivery? I don't see that it would.

[kwikpost]

how would anything be different today if the Friday and Monday strikes had gone ahead?

There seems to be two issues here - Are RM serious about the Interim agreement? - I don't see that they are.

Are RM now talking to the CWU about completing Phase 4 of the Pay and Modernisation Agreement?. National Officers are reporting that they are. The Outdoor Secy is confident of securing a 3 year deal which will result in a 35 hr week at a higher basic pay and protecting predominantly full time jobs in delivery. I thought that is what the National Strike was about.

Would members now support Xmas strikes - a vocal minority would, a silent majority would go along out of loyalty to the Union and a tiny minority will scab as they always do. Would it change the position in delivery? I don't see that it would.

it's only what i've heard but the 35hr week is only if we give up our meal break and also have longer walk's.