Is breaking off wilful delay?

[Lincox]

There are too many people out there that are cowing down to these managers. Your manager has no right to judge how long your round will take you on any given day. Does he/she know how long you will be delayed at customers doors delivering items that will not go through the box. Do they know what emergencies might crop up on your round. Do they know how you are feeling that day and the impact this can have on the time you take. Stop getting into any argument with them. Tell them that you are working to your agreed contracted hours and just ask them what they want doing with any mail that you have left over. You cannot be done for wilful delay if you endeavour to do the job at a pace that suits your normal walking pace. We are not robots that can be turned on at a set speed. If they start an argument, get a colleague as a witness and just repeat that you are working to your agreed contracted hours, and inform them that any mail left over at the end of your shift will be their responsibility to get delivered, and then walk away from the argument and get on with your round. Once you face up to these people and they begin to realise you are no push over, they will sink back into their shell and sh... their pants because they haven,t got the guts to face up to managers above them, that are probably bullying them for results.

[Post Off]

Good post there, Lincox, as I was going to write down something demoralising, but you've hit the nail (or should that be mail?) right on the head.

[first_class_stamp]

I found this link on another post which I found quite worrying :

http://www.workersliberty.org/story/200 ... -agreement" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

" In various workplaces, management are still using harsh discipline to bully workers and victimise the more militant CWU members - taking people off pay and suspending workers for such offences as “wilful delay” - i.e. failure to complete one's shift on time. Reports of continued suspensions and bullying have been coming in from all parts of the country "

[Post Off]

Yeah, I've read something quite similar and quite recently, too -- worse luck.

It looks like you're baying for my demoralising write up, aren't you? Well, I'm not going to oblige you! I want you to be happy. You're already doing the right thing by bringing the work back, so fug 'em all.

...Now where did I put my tablets.

[bitchface]

firstly print of a copy of the conduct code which is in the download section.

in it you will see the set procedure for cutting off.follow it always to the letter.which your manager should have done to.

go in monday and demand to see the daily volume log for that day..they are meant to put down that you had concerns about finishing on time and their advise given..you are supposed to be able to read it before you leave the office..if they havnt done this(and i bet they didnt)put in a grievence(or threaten),and say in no uncertain terms that they have broken the conduct code and must be punished..

it worked for me.all charges dropped eventually.

and stop using your own frickin car..just do your hours ,and do them their way.it aint rocket science.
if you have to cycle back and forth for bags..who cares.they will soon get more bag drops.
if you start cutting off daily ,after the bulling you will get it timed .and if over you can then cut off with impunity.

[ronpetetrevchris]

Geezer In respect to using my car on delivery, I can get my job done quicker if I use my car so I can spend more time with my family. If in future I feel confident I can work till my finish time regardless of weather I deliver all the mail or not without consequence I will not use my car. Also we need more pouch drops on many of the rounds, we waste loads of time cycling to and from pouch drops.

It is very correct that you must finish using your car on delivery, if at times you are finishing early to get home faster RM will continue to use that against you. The details you talk of are not you problem, pouch boxes etc, ffs when will people realise that managers are there to manage!!!!! Wasting time dead walking means more cut off! More hours for your office, more jobs!

It is time the CWU brought in either clocking off or working to time everyday for everyone IMO to end this debate once and for all and force the dimwits so stuck in thier ways to consider another way!

You cannot be done by wilful delay by cutting off, absolutely not, YOU clearly follwed the procedure your lino didnt, end of! On that front.

[ronpetetrevchris]

There are too many people out there that are cowing down to these managers. Your manager has no right to judge how long your round will take you on any given day. Does he/she know how long you will be delayed at customers doors delivering items that will not go through the box. Do they know what emergencies might crop up on your round. Do they know how you are feeling that day and the impact this can have on the time you take. Stop getting into any argument with them. Tell them that you are working to your agreed contracted hours and just ask them what they want doing with any mail that you have left over. You cannot be done for wilful delay if you endeavour to do the job at a pace that suits your normal walking pace. We are not robots that can be turned on at a set speed. If they start an argument, get a colleague as a witness and just repeat that you are working to your agreed contracted hours, and inform them that any mail left over at the end of your shift will be their responsibility to get delivered, and then walk away from the argument and get on with your round. Once you face up to these people and they begin to realise you are no push over, they will sink back into their shell and sh... their pants because they haven,t got the guts to face up to managers above them, that are probably bullying them for results.

Absolutely, there are far too many variables in this job for even you to know the exact time you will finish, nevermind a dimwit manager, play the game and keep your wits abaout you and tie them in knots!
f**k computer says, computer knows F all!!!

[stokes11eg]

Putting the issue of the car aside--you are not alone in these tactics being used. Fight them all the way. If you do this they will back down. Good luck.

[Geezer]

Geezer I totally agree with you in principle. But if I get done for wilful delay on Monday your argument holds no weight cos the more time it takes me to complete my delivery the less time I can spend with my family. I don't usually break off and the one time I do I get threatened with wilful delay which is a dismissal offence. I am finding my job too hard m8, if i can make my life a little easier I will. To be honest m8 I can't take much more of this stress. Think I'll just quit and go on the rock and roll (dole)

First Class

Let me get something clear here I'm on your side not the managers.What i was trying to point out to you is that you have made a rod for your own back.
Your manager is saying their is enough time on your round because all of, or most of the things i said in my previous post were being done.
Now if we all did the job as laid out by RM, these arguments about having enough time to finish would be a thing of the past, we only give management
ammo to attack us this way because we rush around to finish early,and by doing so they expect us to do more.Remember we are meant to be utilising all
hours, so the days of job and finish are gone.As for the wilful delay as said by others on here your manager hasn't got a leg to stand on as you informed him before you left,
That's is all the rules say you have to do,the decision on what to do with the mail you don't have time to deliver is his responsibility not yours. Good Luck

[first_class_stamp]

thank you for your reply''s to my post. I downloaded a copy of the conduct code but can not find the cutting off procedure section. Can you help me plese?

Royal%20Mail%20Conduct%20Code%20National%20Agreement.pdf

[Lincox]

The argument about using your car to get back for your family doesnt wash. Whether you use a bike, car, walk, van or otherwise, you have to work to your contracted hours. As a previous post pointed out, job and finish has gone. If you are quicker getting your round done in a car, the only beneficiary is Royal Mail. You are out of pocket because you have to insure your car for business use at your expense, and petrol costs. If you get less mail delivered by doing it another way, so beit. You take back what is left over at the end of your contracted hours. If Royal Mail cannot provide the bag drops and secure drop offs, then that is their problem not yours. Stop making excuses, start standing up against bullying and do the job correctly to Royal Mails own standards, and not bullying managers standards.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

thank you for your reply''s to my post. I downloaded a copy of the conduct code but can not find the cutting off procedure section. Can you help me plese?

Royal%20Mail%20Conduct%20Code%20National%20Agreement.pdf

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... hp?id=1511" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[bandit1157]

your manager has obviously got a very small penis, someone who is everything with his position of power and nothing without it. i've had this "nobody else did overtime or cut off" which was a lie. i love seeing my dim wobbling down the street in his hi vis, doing my excess looking like a miss-shapen chocolate orange. with the help of my area rep i slapped him with a grievance. he has been told if he wants to argue the point he will have to come out and time me, i'm willing but he knows if the walks are timed he will regret it. get the area rep in, all the witnesses and do him would be my advice. this will make you a marked man so you will have to play the game. ie don't refuse to do overtime ever, just say it isn't suitable to extend today. watch out for managers cars on your round, if they see you having 5mins this will be translated into skiving. you will have to be flameproof. do the job by the book, write everything down and keep smiling. they hate a happy worker, the less they think that they're getting to you, the more impotent they will feel and the more likely they will make a mistake. good luck

[madelin4]

My advice, always have a witness present when you are saying you feel you may not be able to complete duty. Take notes etc times dates . Sounds like a right bully ass!! I had my fair share as well but they did not win!!!!

[gerardy]

When we inform our managers that we are going to be unable to complete delivery
we are told to stream the mail (they wont let us cut off, or give a hand back)
they refuse to sign anything to say they are responsible for the mail been streamed
if we dont complete due to streaming they bring us down the conduct line using intensional delay
they dont record these requests for handbacks
they are a law upon themselves