Why Shouldn't I work on strike days?

[bakersdozen]

not likely as they have said and i have it in writing the if duty times change i will be farmed out to the nearest mail centre for that days hours

[chunk]

A pattern here of people joining this forum and their first post is a thread entitled
why im crossing he picket line.
or
why im not voting yes.
or
what can we gain from striking. ..etc
i wouldn't discourage genuine debate but these are mostly "spoiler" posts designed to
provoke outbursts from members and also to suggest that there are happy posties out there
who are bewildered by all this strike business!

This activity peaks about 24to 48 hours before a strike
then the offending troll normally disappears never to be heard.
funny that.

[The FraudSquad]

This activity peaks about 24to 48 hours before a strike
then the offending troll normally disappears never to be heard.
funny that.

no time to post when they are away working 18 hour shifts 10pm till 4pm the next day to clear the backlog

[chunk]

Thats so true. either that or their back behind a desk
TROLLING DONE UNTILL NEXT STRIKE DATE. .

[oneweepostiee]

not likely as they have said and i have it in writing the if duty times change i will be farmed out to the nearest mail centre for that days hours


you must be from mars ,when has royal mail ever keep its word on agrements but you have it in writing so it must be true lol ,enjoy the field they stick you in you moo

[StevenC]

People are intitled to an opinion. When you started with RM, you signed a contract, a contract that cannot be broken. Ive never been asked to do anything i shouldn't, or been forced to do anything im not expected to do. I have never been intimitated or harrassed by my DOM, only by fellow workmates.

People who are not part of the union, did not get to vote for this strike, they didn't get the chance to voice their opinion, so why should they been intimidated into striking?

Maybe the people who dont strike dont mind working later, maybe the people not striking are P/T now and dont mind staying there.

We all have opinions, and different reasons for striking and not striking. The people who strike are not taking those reasons likely, they will lose money. But, the people who are not striking are also not taking it likely. They know they will be ostracized from their work mates, they know what they are doing. People need to consider that their actions have their own merit.

I striked in 2007 in a big DO. I have since moved to a much smaller one (15 or so). Everyday i start on my time, 9:45, and finish on my time 14:15. The first local strike at my new DO i came into work early, at 8:15, fully expecting to stand on the picket and support my fellow workers. When i arrived there were only 2 others on the picket line. By 9:00 the picket filled to about 10, most of the people that arrived after me were full timers that wanted the extra hour in bed. By 9:30 everyone had went off home, i thought to myself, what kind of picket line is this. Ive never been a fan of striking, but i would support my fellow workers. 9:30 came and went and i thought f**k this, i strolled into the office and sorted some walks and went home, with a full days pay. Even now since the national strikes have started, i come in early on strike days and the strikers have already gone off home. I am willing to lose a days pay in order to support my fellow workers, but what i wont do is stay at home just because its a strike day. I have never crossed a picket line, and im not likely to.

[bunkerland]

When you started with RM, you signed a contract, a contract that cannot be broken. Ive never been asked to do anything i shouldn't, or been forced to do anything im not expected to do.

I presume you liked the terms and conditions of that contract when you signed it? Who do you think fought for those terms and conditions? The cwu and it's members did,over many years.You seek to take a free ride on the back of it whilst giving nothing back!
If everyone took your approach we'd have been on minimum wage years ago and had the working conditions to match! Would you still have signed that"contract"? I doubt it! Enjoy your free ride but don't be surprised when the workers still fighting to maintain their working conditions are annoyed with you!

[StevenC]

When you started with RM, you signed a contract, a contract that cannot be broken. Ive never been asked to do anything i shouldn't, or been forced to do anything im not expected to do.

I presume you liked the terms and conditions of that contract when you signed it? Who do you think fought for those terms and conditions? The cwu and it's members did,over many years.You seek to take a free ride on the back of it whilst giving nothing back!
If everyone took your approach we'd have been on minimum wage years ago and had the working conditions to match! Would you still have signed that"contract"? I doubt it! Enjoy your free ride but don't be surprised when the workers still fighting to maintain their working conditions are annoyed with you!

Yes, i did like the terms or the contract, the wage seemed reasonable and the holidays are quite good. Whats your point? If i wouldn't of liked the job, i wouldn't of applied for it. You fought for those terms because thats the terms you wanted, and no, i wouldn't do this job for minimum wage on a 22hr contract. Who would? If RM decided they wanted me on min wage, i would walk out the door, just like the entire work force. If RM wanted to radically change my working conditions for the worse, i would walk, just like the entire workforce, and every new employee would jump at the chance for my job, but would soon leave because of these terrible conditions you talk of.

I dont see your point, and what free ride are you going on about? I do my job properly, and its a hard job, it gets harder after strike days, i see no free ride.

[fishtank]

When you started with RM, you signed a contract, a contract that cannot be broken. Ive never been asked to do anything i shouldn't, or been forced to do anything im not expected to do.

I presume you liked the terms and conditions of that contract when you signed it? Who do you think fought for those terms and conditions? The cwu and it's members did,over many years.You seek to take a free ride on the back of it whilst giving nothing back!
If everyone took your approach we'd have been on minimum wage years ago and had the working conditions to match! Would you still have signed that"contract"? I doubt it! Enjoy your free ride but don't be surprised when the workers still fighting to maintain their working conditions are annoyed with you!

Yes, i did like the terms or the contract, the wage seemed reasonable and the holidays are quite good. Whats your point? If i wouldn't of liked the job, i wouldn't of applied for it. You fought for those terms because thats the terms you wanted, and no, i wouldn't do this job for minimum wage on a 22hr contract. Who would? If RM decided they wanted me on min wage, i would walk out the door, just like the entire work force. If RM wanted to radically change my working conditions for the worse, i would walk, just like the entire workforce, and every new employee would jump at the chance for my job, but would soon leave because of these terrible conditions you talk of.

I dont see your point, and what free ride are you going on about? I do my job properly, and its a hard job, it gets harder after strike days, i see no free ride.

You say if RM wanted you on min wage you would walk but if no-one fought for their pay,terms and conditions where would you walk to.

Another job with piss poor pay,terms and conditions.At some piont in your life you have to make a stand,not just for you but for those that come after you.

[StevenC]

When you started with RM, you signed a contract, a contract that cannot be broken. Ive never been asked to do anything i shouldn't, or been forced to do anything im not expected to do.

I presume you liked the terms and conditions of that contract when you signed it? Who do you think fought for those terms and conditions? The cwu and it's members did,over many years.You seek to take a free ride on the back of it whilst giving nothing back!
If everyone took your approach we'd have been on minimum wage years ago and had the working conditions to match! Would you still have signed that"contract"? I doubt it! Enjoy your free ride but don't be surprised when the workers still fighting to maintain their working conditions are annoyed with you!

Yes, i did like the terms or the contract, the wage seemed reasonable and the holidays are quite good. Whats your point? If i wouldn't of liked the job, i wouldn't of applied for it. You fought for those terms because thats the terms you wanted, and no, i wouldn't do this job for minimum wage on a 22hr contract. Who would? If RM decided they wanted me on min wage, i would walk out the door, just like the entire work force. If RM wanted to radically change my working conditions for the worse, i would walk, just like the entire workforce, and every new employee would jump at the chance for my job, but would soon leave because of these terrible conditions you talk of.

I dont see your point, and what free ride are you going on about? I do my job properly, and its a hard job, it gets harder after strike days, i see no free ride.

You say if RM wanted you on min wage you would walk but if no-one fought for their pay,terms and conditions where would you walk to.

Another job with piss poor pay,terms and conditions.At some piont in your life you have to make a stand,not just for you but for those that come after you.

No, your point is irrelevant. Like i said, if posties were on min wage, there would be no posties. Posties need to be paid a good wage. Dont kid yourself on, your not losing weeks of pay just so some guy in 24 months can get a decent wage.

Your second point however is a great point. (if your theory wasn't wrong). In my office, id say 90 percent of the strikers, have no real qualifications and/or have been in this job for decades. The strikers really have no other option but to strike, quite frankly, they cant really do any other job with the same wages, and i appreciate that, thats why i dont complain, they feel they need to strike, they have no other option. However someone with different circumstances who didn't even get to vote on the matter shouldn't be intimitated into striking. Nearly all of the strike breakers in my office are young and are part time. Nearly all of the strikers are old and have been in this job for years, and are likely to be in the job until retirement. Their circumstances are different, and people need to not only respect others decisions, but understand them.
I took this job because of the good wages and because i couldn't go down my chosen career path. I am well qualified and experienced in several roles, and to be honest i could probably find another job within a month, just not on the same wages as i am now.

[london sub]

i love the positive thinking that people have!!!!

No i am not in union and am glad not to be,

You have got to look positive on life.

Your glad that your not in the union? Would you care to elaborate.

[StevenC]

i love the positive thinking that people have!!!!

No i am not in union and am glad not to be,

You have got to look positive on life.

Your glad that your not in the union? Would you care to elaborate.

I dont know his reasons why hes glad hes not in the union. But heres mine, maybe they are similar.

I see no point in the union, for myself. I can see why people would like it and feel more comfortable in it, but not me. Being in the union to me means being united, and if the union voted to strike, i would strike. I wouldn't work if i was in the union, it would be defeating the purpose of it. People in my office strike break and are in the union, and i cant understand it. They want something from the union when it suits them, but give nothing in return. I have never needed the union, and never will. But like i said, my circumstances are different, alot of people need the union for certain things.

[pinstripe]

Your second point however is a great point. (if your theory wasn't wrong). In my office, id say 90 percent of the strikers, have no real qualifications and/or have been in this job for decades. The strikers really have no other option but to strike, quite frankly, they cant really do any other job with the same wages, and i appreciate that, thats why i dont complain, they feel they need to strike, they have no other option. However someone with different circumstances who didn't even get to vote on the matter shouldn't be intimitated into striking.
I took this job because of the good wages and because i couldn't go down my chosen career path. I am well qualified and experienced in several roles, and to be honest i could probably find another job within a month, just not on the same wages as i am now.

And what of those who have qualifications and haven't been in the job for decades. I worked in the private sector for 20 years with good and bad companies, I didn't join RM for the money! I joined because I wanted to work the hours (0515-10-15, 6 days a week) so I could spend quality time with my family. I could easily make more money outside RM, but why should I? I enjoy my job, in spite of management. It's the changes to my hours of attendance I object to and the next set of 'proposals' are a step to far for my liking.
Your generalisation of 90% of the workforce is inaccurate, unless you work in HR and have all the application details for 120,000 employees.
As for complaining that you didn't get to vote, sorry, union members only. You don't have to accept the decision, but I would hope you would also refuse to accept any benefits or concessions that the union wins.

[axeman]

when your on the bottom rung it's hard to get up further if you keep sliping off 'trolls' by nature are short sighted animals who can't see the wood for the trees
one day you might just need the help of a union and because off your inherant distrust you will not have the strength a union could give in your hour of need but there again you don't deserve to have support do you

[StevenC]

Your second point however is a great point. (if your theory wasn't wrong). In my office, id say 90 percent of the strikers, have no real qualifications and/or have been in this job for decades. The strikers really have no other option but to strike, quite frankly, they cant really do any other job with the same wages, and i appreciate that, thats why i dont complain, they feel they need to strike, they have no other option. However someone with different circumstances who didn't even get to vote on the matter shouldn't be intimitated into striking.
I took this job because of the good wages and because i couldn't go down my chosen career path. I am well qualified and experienced in several roles, and to be honest i could probably find another job within a month, just not on the same wages as i am now.

And what of those who have qualifications and haven't been in the job for decades. I worked in the private sector for 20 years with good and bad companies, I didn't join RM for the money! I joined because I wanted to work the hours (0515-10-15, 6 days a week) so I could spend quality time with my family. I could easily make more money outside RM, but why should I? I enjoy my job, in spite of management. It's the changes to my hours of attendance I object to and the next set of 'proposals' are a step to far for my liking.
Your generalisation of 90% of the workforce is inaccurate, unless you work in HR and have all the application details for 120,000 employees.
As for complaining that you didn't get to vote, sorry, union members only. You don't have to accept the decision, but I would hope you would also refuse to accept any benefits or concessions that the union wins.

Sorry, i meant in my office, i should of been clearer. But you have kind of proved my point. You like the job as it is, and if it changed, you wouldn't like it. Everything you joined for would of been taken away. So you would just have to find another job, or put up with working an hour or two later.

As for the second point, being in the union is not mandatory, unlike some jobs. I cannot refuse any benefits that would come my way, but i am happy with the job as it is now, i dont feel the need to strike for something better. You do, but we are all in the same job, we all take and benefits, and we would all have to put up with any drawbacks that the union wanted implemented. Your right, i do have to accept the decision, but you should accept my decision to work during the strikes for the reasons i have posted in previous posts.