What type of postie are you?

[Exrep]

Your rite and if the black nail polish comes out so do the high heels

[smokerjim]

I shall tell her im becoming a goth and i want the house decorated accordingly

Don't do that - you'll have to start using black nail varnish

What makes you think he doesn't use it already? He could be DGP's bit on the side!

[dvbuk55]

I shall tell her im becoming a goth and i want the house decorated accordingly

Don't do that - you'll have to start using black nail varnish

What makes you think he doesn't use it already? He could be DGP's bit on the side!

Nooooooooooooooooo - I feel violated, the old slapper

[Exrep]

EEEEasssssyyyyyyyyyy chaps nasty rumours could get started here rofl

[opgpat]

*snip....as I would totally expect to be told likewise if I was posting pages of drivel.

Funny you should mention that, Pat

( sorry mate, I couldn't resist )

Ohh I saaay!

[krussel]

On a lighter note chaps ive just been making a banner for our picket line on friday in my hall and ive painted mandelsons name on a sheet ive take the sheet down and ive got his f***ing name platsered on my wall in black hammerite paint as it had soaked through the sheet .I dont think my other half is going to be impressed when she sees it.

Yes i no what a dumb arse i am please dont rub it in just didnt think of it soaking through every mornin when i get up the first thing i will see coming down the stairs is his f***ing name arrggggghhhhhhh

Sorry sorry

Oh mate that is a classic

A pig to get off may i suggest white spirit.

Cheers i needed a laugh after the crap day i ve had

Sorry

[peejay14]

To the manager of this site:

Shouldn't hi-jacking of a thread be against the rules of this board? Probably not. I guess it's those guys' way of shutting me out - of my own thread, ho-hum.

I admit I ramble, it's just my style. But I'm quite confident that is not against the rules.

I also think that I probably put too much thought into my posts, and reveal too much of my thought process. But one advantage to this could now be that, if I choose to hang around, then at least you guys now know a lot of what I'm about.

Except that, some of you still doubt that I'm one of you, a postie! I guess trust is something to be earned.

OK I apologise for telling you to go away. What I meant to say was ... this board is NOT the place for you.

opgpat - I regularly come into work 30 minutes early, and nearly always work at least 1 hour over my time. On my day-off this week, I need to deliver a portion of my D2Ds, as catching up with the back-log means that I just don't have the extra-extra time to do everything. And I won't be claiming a penny in overtime. I think that instead of viewing this workload as too much, I look upon it as a challenge that I have to rise to. I don't complain to my managers, and I think that they appreciate that, because (touch wood) they do not complain about me. I guess a time could come when my performance at work deteriorates to the point that the pressure of the workload and the pressure from my manager causes me to take a different view, but thankfully that time is yet to come. I wouldn't say that I was coping with the job, because if I do not improve in the coming year then I think that problems may arise for me, since I know in myself that that I am not meeting the targets of performance set by my manager. But my manager knows that I am trying my best, and we have discussed possible future training that might help me save some time and work more efficiently.

So I admit that all is not well at work, and to some this is cause for strike action, in addition to other contributing factors, such as job security etc, a lot of which I am aware of (more so now given the media coverage and my participation on this site.) My only sin, dvbuk55, is that I CHOOSE to put up with it. And for talking about life as a postie (in my very first thread I hinted that on top of everything else, this strike is getting me down) and the issues that I have, I am being abused and ridiculed (just as I feared). Yet, to be fair, I have considered that this might not be the best of times to be asking posties (fresh from the picket line) to balance their views against my own, when my actions (or, inaction) serves to undermine theirs.

I am doing as much reading on this site as I am posting, which I really DO NOT have time for. And (seemingly to the annoyance of a few) I may hang around over the course of this strike. Even more reason for you guys to wish for an end to it! This site is a great way for posties to discuss all aspects of the trade, and much of what I've been reading has been a valuable education for me. I'm a more rounded postie as a result. But I'm also stubborn enough not to have my head turned by an argument, no matter how well put, instead taking a longer view, which sometimes leaves me out on a limb but still within touching distance of the main body of opinion.

[smokerjim]

OK I apologise for telling you to go away. What I meant to say was ... this board is NOT the place for you.

opgpat - I regularly come into work 30 minutes early, and nearly always work at least 1 hour over my time. On my day-off this week, I need to deliver a portion of my D2Ds, as catching up with the back-log means that I just don't have the extra-extra time to do everything. And I won't be claiming a penny in overtime. I think that instead of viewing this workload as too much, I look upon it as a challenge that I have to rise to. I don't complain to my managers, and I think that they appreciate that, because (touch wood) they do not complain about me. I guess a time could come when my performance at work deteriorates to the point that the pressure of the workload and the pressure from my manager causes me to take a different view, but thankfully that time is yet to come. I wouldn't say that I was coping with the job, because if I do not improve in the coming year then I think that problems may arise for me, since I know in myself that that I am not meeting the targets of performance set by my manager. But my manager knows that I am trying my best, and we have discussed possible future training that might help me save some time and work more efficiently.

peejay your mangers don't complain about you because they are too busy laughing and taking the piss out of you.....they are getting an extra 90minutes a DAY out of you for no cost, even if they know the duty you have might be grossly over-balanced....if you work your day off to earn overtime, you could earn the same amount ( or more ) just by getting paid for the hours you work.....and you would still have 2 days off a week!

If you join and support the union, then if you get pressure from your managers, you could ask your rep if the pressure you are getting is fair, and if it is not, he will support you and help you out - of course, if you do not support the union, he will support you, but he may not give his best effort ( assuming your strike breaking has not contributed to destroy the union ) - why should he? When he needed your support, your were not there.

TBH peejay right now, I cannot decide whether to pity you or laugh my ass off at you - all I will say is I was like you for my first 6 months, coming in early - but I always booked my extended delivery, and I've wised up. Maybe you need to decide what you want from RM....to be exploited for as long as they want to use you, or a fair day's pay for a fair day's work.

[opgpat]

To the manager of this site:
Shouldn't hi-jacking of a thread be against the rules of this board? Probably not. I guess it's those guys' way of shutting me out - of my own thread, ho-hum.

It's just been a natural progession mate, happens in a lot of threads.

I regularly come into work 30 minutes early, and nearly always work at least 1 hour over my time. On my day-off this week, I need to deliver a portion of my D2Ds, as catching up with the back-log means that I just don't have the extra-extra time to do everything. And I won't be claiming a penny in overtime.

Well this IS interesting!!! Atlast!

PJ, don't expect anyone but your manager to have admiration for you working like this. By working as you say, you are actually making the job worse for the rest of us. Managers regularly use people like you to make the other staff look bad and to pressure those who want to do a fair days work into doing work for free. I've often got from a manager 'So and so has no problem getting this round done in time' when I know full well that so and so comes in 30mins early and goes over without claiming. Managers do bully and threaten staff with the sack for not doing the same work someonelse who comes in early does. This working for free mentality is often a result of new staff not having the confidence to question, and managers subtle manipulation of new staff. You look like their latest victim.

This company isn't a charity. Every letter you deliver makes them money (except some dsa perhaps) so why shouldn't you be paid for it? The company is in good profit 321million pounds last year. Why do you want to do an ammount of work that is clearly too much for the hours they pay you? Have no doubts once you get quicker and end up finishing on time they will, knowing you are a soft-touch, put you on a heavier round or give you extra so that you are back to having to come in early and work past your time with no possibility of getting any faster. At that point you will have to work on like a slave or beg for OT and believe me the manager knowing your history won't let you have it without a fight.

On the d2d front, have you been told you have to do it on your day off or is that your decision? If you've been told that's a breach of employment law. The rules regarding d2d is that time should be allowed within duty to prep and deliver them. You should not prep or deliver d2d in your own time on working days OR days off.

As a side issue you wont be insured when delivering on your day off. If you have an accident, slip and fall or get attacked by a dog you will get no help from the company who wash their hands of you.

[bunkerland]

I regularly come into work 30 minutes early, and nearly always work at least 1 hour over my time. And I won't be claiming a penny in overtime. I don't complain to my managers, and I think that they appreciate that.

Really? They sound great! Why do you think they don't complain about you? Anyone?.............You must be every managers wet dream mate! Adam Crozier must be wanting to clone you,an army of Peejays delivering the mail,perhaps it's the future!

Seriously mate,speak to someone at your work,union rep maybe or even just friends! Don't be a doormat for some tosser to take the piss out of! :cfo

[Exrep]

On a lighter note chaps ive just been making a banner for our picket line on friday in my hall and ive painted mandelsons name on a sheet ive take the sheet down and ive got his f***ing name platsered on my wall in black hammerite paint as it had soaked through the sheet .I dont think my other half is going to be impressed when she sees it.

Yes i no what a dumb arse i am please dont rub it in just didnt think of it soaking through every mornin when i get up the first thing i will see coming down the stairs is his f***ing name arrggggghhhhhhh

Sorry sorry

Oh mate that is a classic

A pig to get off may i suggest white spirit.

Cheers i needed a laugh after the crap day i ve had

Sorry

KRUSS apology excepted unforunately im still apolgising to my over half.

Im glad ive made you laugh as we all need a laugh at this moment in time.

Everytime i walk into my hall way it goes all cold and i get a shiver down my spine and i have to walk through it with my eyes closed.

[peejay14]

Delivering D2Ds on my day off was my choice, an exceptional choice given the weight of mail we had on Monday. I don't mind going the extra mile, not to say that makes me somehow unique, but I appreciate the work so much that it is a part of my life, and I'd like it to stay that way. I guess you could call it homework, which in many other professions is not unheard of, rather it is part of the norm.

I'm worried about the job, I fear that just as I have found a job that I can take pride in it is slipping into decline. I believe in my employer, that they are fighting to maintain the business, and I want to be part of that fight. I want to fight WITH the company, not against it. I don't know what the future holds, even if strikes were not a problem, because I see the job becoming slowly irrelevant to most people's life, in that I don't think that people will need a postie in decades to come without drastic change in the service. I cannot see how a strike is going to change that, because what can the company do to reverse the trends? For me, a strike is not the solution to that problem, but that problem seems to me to be at the heart of everything that is going wrong at the moment. Instead of trying to save what we've got, which both the management and the union have contrived over the years to produce, it is my hope that between them they can save our jobs by thinking outside the post box - yet how can this be achieved if they won't agree on the way forward.

If I were given my 5 minutes of glory, then I would propose to both parties that the job needs to take on a greater number of public service roles, basically by not only offering our customers their mail but also whatever service (within reason) it is possible to deliver across the doorway. And this would mean a drastic retraining of posties, who would require a much greater skill-set in order to satisfy the demands of our valued customers; without customers, what would we be? As mail and the need for mail declines, I think that to save our jobs we need to offer our customers more and enhance our own prospects into the bargain by improving our CVs, thus giving us more of a fighting chance in the job market also. The postie needs to become the most important person that comes to the customer's door, whereby all remaining communications that are not already (cannot be) computerised, should fall into the remit of the humble postie. So that instead of dreading the postie, with his/her bills and junk mail, the customer cannot do without their postie. This is the sort of radical action that I think should be taken to save our futures, hence why I think that going on strike (even if there is an argument for it) is not what we need today. And so, the longer the company and the union cannot work together to take us forward, the more disillusioned I will become with both of them. I believe that we all need to pull together, and at the same time branch-out. I am less worried about keeping the practises of the past alive, and more worried about my job stagnating and drifting into obscurity as our customers move on without us. I see no future for the job as it exists today, but I can see a future where the 'postie' becomes someone that the customer needs, even if the customer no longer needs what can be carried in a shoulder-bag! Staying positive, although the present time is very depressing, the postie has a past to be proud of, and a future (however daunting) to look forward to. Change, yes change, such an important word that both sides cannot repeat it enough, and somehow even agree is necessary, is the only way forward. But not a change that reverts to the securities of the past, change to revolutionise the job for the future.

Returning to planet Earth, I'll stop rambling just to mention (in reply to the above posts) that my DOM does seem to understand that as a part-time postie my time in the office is short and the need to crack-on with actually delivering is paramount. So, he decided that part-time posties in his office should not have to do any starburst. Now, he does seem to be prepared to step in and help out, which perhaps goes against the general picture that most people on this site are painting of DOMs. And on another point, I am glad that the company is getting its act together and putting the case for its employees who are not in favour of industrial action, vis-à-vis the advice now being sent out to us. But to my mind the company has a tremendous task ahead of it, if it is to remain our employer in the future.

[krussel]

Delivering D2Ds on my day off was my choice, an exceptional choice given the weight of mail we had on Monday. I don't mind going the extra mile, not to say that makes me somehow unique, but I appreciate the work so much that it is a part of my life, and I'd like it to stay that way. I guess you could call it homework, which in many other professions is not unheard of, rather it is part of the norm.

I'm worried about the job, I fear that just as I have found a job that I can take pride in it is slipping into decline. I believe in my employer, that they are fighting to maintain the business, and I want to be part of that fight. I want to fight WITH the company, not against it. I don't know what the future holds, even if strikes were not a problem, because I see the job becoming slowly irrelevant to most people's life, in that I don't think that people will need a postie in decades to come without drastic change in the service. I cannot see how a strike is going to change that, because what can the company do to reverse the trends? For me, a strike is not the solution to that problem, but that problem seems to me to be at the heart of everything that is going wrong at the moment. Instead of trying to save what we've got, which both the management and the union have contrived over the years to produce, it is my hope that between them they can save our jobs by thinking outside the post box - yet how can this be achieved if they won't agree on the way forward.

If I were given my 5 minutes of glory, then I would propose to both parties that the job needs to take on a greater number of public service roles, basically by not only offering our customers their mail but also whatever service (within reason) it is possible to deliver across the doorway. And this would mean a drastic retraining of posties, who would require a much greater skill-set in order to satisfy the demands of our valued customers; without customers, what would we be? As mail and the need for mail declines, I think that to save our jobs we need to offer our customers more and enhance our own prospects into the bargain by improving our CVs, thus giving us more of a fighting chance in the job market also. The postie needs to become the most important person that comes to the customer's door, whereby all remaining communications that are not already (cannot be) computerised, should fall into the remit of the humble postie. So that instead of dreading the postie, with his/her bills and junk mail, the customer cannot do without their postie. This is the sort of radical action that I think should be taken to save our futures, hence why I think that going on strike (even if there is an argument for it) is not what we need today. And so, the longer the company and the union cannot work together to take us forward, the more disillusioned I will become with both of them. I believe that we all need to pull together, and at the same time branch-out. I am less worried about keeping the practises of the past alive, and more worried about my job stagnating and drifting into obscurity as our customers move on without us. I see no future for the job as it exists today, but I can see a future where the 'postie' becomes someone that the customer needs, even if the customer no longer needs what can be carried in a shoulder-bag! Staying positive, although the present time is very depressing, the postie has a past to be proud of, and a future (however daunting) to look forward to. Change, yes change, such an important word that both sides cannot repeat it enough, and somehow even agree is necessary, is the only way forward. But not a change that reverts to the securities of the past, change to revolutionise the job for the future.

Returning to planet Earth, I'll stop rambling just to mention (in reply to the above posts) that my DOM does seem to understand that as a part-time postie my time in the office is short and the need to crack-on with actually delivering is paramount. So, he decided that part-time posties in his office should not have to do any starburst. Now, he does seem to be prepared to step in and help out, which perhaps goes against the general picture that most people on this site are painting of DOMs. And on another point, I am glad that the company is getting its act together and putting the case for its employees who are not in favour of industrial action, vis-à-vis the advice now being sent out to us. But to my mind the company has a tremendous task ahead of it, if it is to remain our employer in the future.

Ok peejay as you intend to stay around throughout the strike I would like to set you a challenge which you may find entertaining and will provide you with totally credibility in the process. Its simple really I want you to answer a few Royal Mail questions based on well known terminology.

I ve deliberately choosing older terminology so you wont be able to cheat and simply do a search. You will need to ask a colleague at your office who has a few years service to get all of these and he/she should know the answers instantly. Could be a little fun, wanna play?

1. What is a P739 ? (easy one to start)
2. What was a 552 ?
3. What is a 318 ?
4. What does S.A. mean ?
5. What’s the diff between pressure and SA ?
6. Do you sweat on your delivery ( I don’t mean personal hygiene)
8. What did once “rebate” mean ?
9. What did the shout “first and dated” used to mean ?
10. What is a walklog and what does it contain. ?

Go on have a go you know you want too……


Oh BTW i think you mean "lapsing" instead of starburst (scrapped) which of course you already know was part of the " way forward" agreement.

[peejay14]

1. A 'sorry you were out' card
9. I'd guess these were the items to prioritise if time was short or mail was heavy?
10. The folder on the frame containing useful information for the postie

2, maybe 3, out of 10. Think I failed. What's your point?

Our DOM, indeed everybody in the office, including the union rep, still refers to starburst. I saw the word 'lapsing' used in another thread, and guessed it was another word for 'starburst'.

[StevenC]

1. A 'sorry you were out' card
9. I'd guess these were the items to prioritise if time was short or mail was heavy?
10. The folder on the frame containing useful information for the postie

2, maybe 3, out of 10. Think I failed. What's your point?

Our DOM, indeed everybody in the office, including the union rep, still refers to starburst. I saw the word 'lapsing' used in another thread, and guessed it was another word for 'starburst'.

i got 4 out of 10.

<<<<<Winner.


Seriously, give me the answers..could be helpful.