WTL , later starting times to go ahead August 13th

PHP · Post by **PHP** » 03 Jul 2007, 18:10

In my DO we're flat out refusing their slash n burn "efficiency savings", which will take 5 walks. So, although all the walks have been revised and changed ready for a complete resign, weâ€™re working exactly as we did before and everyone has the same duty.

My DO rep and the area rep have stood up for us all the way and kept us fully informed. Theyâ€™ve also told us that this might lead to further industrial action in the area, as senior management may make an executive decision and go above the unionâ€™s head. Bring it on I say!
:lfo :cfo

johnnyp · Post by **johnnyp** » 03 Jul 2007, 18:13

Madelin4 and everyone else on this site DONT SIGN OR AGREE TO ANYTHING that will affect start times or anything else that you now do its all to worsen your terms and conditions.Wait untill there is a national or locally agreed by the c.w.u. deal

dongash · Post by **dongash** » 03 Jul 2007, 19:16

our dum wants the 0615 starts to commence 27/7 ! this had gone to disagreement and was due to be heard today with a divisional rep. the area delivery manager wants this in whether we agree or not! so we are going to ballot for industrial action! we must all stick together and not let these w*****s beat us!! regards dongash opg macclesfield sk (100% scab free zone)

vigilante · Post by **vigilante** » 03 Jul 2007, 19:25

I put in a disagreement to later starts and it will probably go straight to stage 3. I have yet to hear anything!!

Post by **POSTMAN** » 03 Jul 2007, 22:01

We're going from 05-45 starts to 06-00

kjbosco · Post by **kjbosco** » 04 Jul 2007, 21:08

We all recieved those forms this week, answer question 1, reason not to change time, answer, other :NO CWU AGREEMENT and hand back in.

fedup postie · Post by **fedup postie** » 04 Jul 2007, 21:31

There is a national instruction at the moment from head office that no-one agrees to any changes whilst we are in the current IA. The Reps should not even be in negotiations.
I have a feeling though that come Aug the Management will enforce these changes on us by exe action. I also believe that if this happens, CWU head office have already said that the offices concerned will be balloted.

This really is the summer of discontent. DONT!!! GIVE ANYTHING UP!!! Once it is gone, it will be very hard to get it back.
Stand firm, unity is strength, once they have some of these changes in some of the offices they will say, well it works there so why not here etc,etc.

madelin4 · Post by **madelin4** » 04 Jul 2007, 22:01

johnnypick wrote:Madelin4 and everyone else on this site DONT SIGN OR AGREE TO ANYTHING that will affect start times or anything else that you now do its all to worsen your terms and conditions.Wait untill there is a national or locally agreed by the c.w.u. deal

Hey Johnnypick, nope, mine is still on top of my desk and that is where it will be staying..but you will find other ones who are none the wiser and fill the things out!!!!! 1 guy in work told me he just put no comment, others just handed in with nout on them.. what i think they are trying to do is to get as many back as poss with them saying that later starts is ok.. then they will say to us " oh well we have 50 forms here with ones saying yes its fine!!!! do they take us for a fool!!!!!!

bristolchris · Post by **bristolchris** » 05 Jul 2007, 05:46

kjbosco wrote:We all recieved those forms this week, answer question 1, reason not to change time, answer, other :NO CWU AGREEMENT and hand back in.

Good Answer.

dean41 · Post by **dean41** » 05 Jul 2007, 13:35

Had a WTL today asked about the later starts. DOM replied it would be brought in by EA . Our DO is in dispute over this as I.m sure many DO,s are. Told him I for one won,t be changing my start times unless agreed nationally. Who do these people think they are?

tasam · Post by **tasam** » 05 Jul 2007, 13:39

It looks like they are trying to force later starts across the board.
(Stockton was told this week - later starts 13th August).

How many disputes do they want running at the same time????

Post by **evilc** » 05 Jul 2007, 15:07

dean41 wrote:Had a WTL today asked about the later starts. DOM replied it would be brought in by EA . Our DO is in dispute over this as I.m sure many DO,s are. Told him I for one won,t be changing my start times unless agreed nationally. Who do these people think they are?

Dictators on one hand and on the other crozier and leighton's puppets.

billypants · Post by **billypants** » 05 Jul 2007, 22:03

kjbosco wrote:We all recieved those forms this week, answer question 1, reason not to change time, answer, other :NO CWU AGREEMENT and hand back in.

You must try not to answer these sort of stupid questions, about change, at all but just refer the screws to the CWU and the curent disagreement, but if they push you then this is the perfect answer, well done kjbosco

jafferpants · Post by **jafferpants** » 06 Jul 2007, 12:38

Re later starts. We have been told in our office that if people have to look after or pick up children etc- they will be able to continue to start and finish earlier than others.For those that don't I forsee court cases looming on the grounds of unfair treatment. royal mail you have been warned !!.

cruisey · Post by **cruisey** » 06 Jul 2007, 14:56

CHECK WITH THE REP OR THE AREA REPS. ASK FOR A LOCAL BALLOT ON IA. IF THE DISAGREEMENT ON CHANGE OF START TIMES IS AT STAGE 3, THEN THE IR FRAMEWORK HASN'T BEEN EXHAUSTED. THEREFORE, RM CANNOT IMPOSE A CHANGE IN START TIME BY EXECUTIVE ACTION. THAT CAME FROM OUR DIVISIONAL REP.
ONLY IF THE DIVISIONAL REP HAS DISCUSSED THE DISAGREEMENT CAN EXEC ACTION BE TAKEN.
DON'T LET THESE RM BULLIES PUSH YOU INTO CHANGES YOU DON'T WANT. :cfo