Post strikes go ahead as planned

[delboy]

sorry, might have been a bit premature..... anyone else wish we were more informed? how about a recorded phone line we could ring at a certain time to get the news. or even get their act together on the cwu website.

yeah we have to find out from the bbc news.. they should at least get the reps to inform us at work, not even seen my rep for days..

[Martin Walsh]

Sorry there really is no other way to inform 1200 000 members especially as the media is camped out at CWU HQs.

Look progress has been made but we havnt reached an agreement. Contary to Royal Mail!s press statement that there was not a split on the PEC with the London members opposing the postion it is a lie. There was no split and nothing put to the PEC. The officers which a lot of you have unjustly criticised who took the decision that not enough progress has been made to stop the action.

I think all the PEC know this has to be the last major dispute that we have for some time which is why it has to be the right deal for resolving the executive action as well as providing the right terms and conditions for the future.

[End of the road]

Looking forward to a stint of manager baiting in the morning

Thick tw@s always mess things up like reversing and smacking into things and we are watching and laughing at them, they get so wound up ....................................................

[left739]

Look progress has been made but we havnt reached an agreement. Contary to Royal Mail!s press statement that there was not a split on the PEC with the London members opposing the postion it is a lie. There was no split and nothing put to the PEC. The officers which a lot of you have unjustly criticised who took the decision that not enough progress has been made to stop the action.

I think all the PEC know this has to be the last major dispute that we have for some time which is why it has to be the right deal for resolving the executive action as well as providing the right terms and conditions for the future.

Perhaps the officers put nothing to the PEC because they thought they couldn't sell the deal yet? You can't blame the members for not trusted the leadership - the 2007 deal was rubbish and in many ways lies at the root of this dispute.

In 2007 just at the heat of the dispute (Liverpool and much of London going unofficial, the national action declared illegal but likely to happen anyway) we were persuaded back to work and then had to wait ten days to know how bad the deal was as the leadership pushed the PEC into line.

This time I and others would like to know what the deal is before the strikes are called off. Instead of being worried about the leadership calling off the strike we should see it showing some determination in the face of RM.

If the leadership are serious they would escalate the action. RM have brought in temps to undermine the effect of the strike, they have send letters asking us all to scab - they are showing they are serious about breaking us, we should show we are serious by upping the anti from our side. We should at the very least be talking about a proper 48 hours strike next time.

[Destroyer]

The 2007 agreement was the worst outcome since Keggies Deal in the early 2000's (ive never met anyone that voted yes).

[mucker]

The 2007 agreement was the worst outcome since Keggies Deal in the early 2000's (ive never met anyone that voted yes).

john keggie blast from the past,what a knob

[Martin Walsh]

Left the unofficial strikes in the back end of the 2007 dispute in both Liverpool and London did not lead to our national ballot being decalred illegal. What actually happened was that we had been challenged over the notices that were sent.

Now as someone who has already taken 18 days strike action in this dispute and who has seen how effective the rolling action has been. Are we really saying we cant be displined and stand down picket lines in order to make sure the backlog is bigger by having effective action putting more pressure on Royal Mail. ? We have in London and we still have a massive backlog.

Now in terms of wanting to vote on the deal before any strikes are called off. Apart from the fact that if we contiue to strike whilst we have a negotiators deal and the PEC have endorsed it then the chances are Royal Mail will withdraw the deal. Facts are that if and when we get a neogotatiors deal you will have the opportiunity to vote on that deal prior to the ballot being withdrawn.

[brothermagrew]

As dingo rightly says:

The injunction obtained by Royal Mail (Friday 12th October 2007) was brought before the court on less than three hours' notice. The CWU was unable to put in evidence or even get a representative to court to give its lawyers a full briefing. There was no time to prepare any documents for the court or a written legal argument. CWU's counsel had 30 minutes to read Royal Mail's substantial file of evidence, its written argument and to get some information over the phone from the CWU.

The injunction was granted on the grounds that the notice of the strike was defective. The union had given details of every workplace where the 80,000 CWU members intended to strike, the number in each grade at each workplace, the total number in each workplace and the total overall. However, the union did not provide the totals in each grade overall, though these were easily calculable by Royal Mail from the figures given and were not relevant to their planning. Nevertheless, the legislation requires the union to do the arithmetic: hence, principally, the injunction.