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Swinging The Lead Will Not Protect Jobs
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Geezer
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Swinging The Lead Will Not Protect Jobs
WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS
Where Does He Get This s**t From, Unf*king Believable.
http://www.hellmail.co.uk/postalnews/te ... &zoneid=10
25 October 2009 by Mark White - © Hellmail.co.uk
Despite backlogged mail as a result of strike action at Royal Mail last week, 60 managers at one mail centre set something of a record last week by sorting more mail in 12 hours than 240 postal workers could sort in 24 hours. Special deliveries, tracked and packets all reached their destinations without a single failure. Similar results were reported in other areas. On that basis, I can only say that the need for modernisation is self-evident.
There has been much talk on a militant postal workers forum, of 'fighting for jobs", but standing on a picket line can hardly be described as "fighting". That is called "not going to work" and surely any fool can do that. Genuinely fighting for jobs in any product-based industry, particularly one with such a large pension deficit, would be making sure they were made/delivered faster and better than any other company. Standing outside next to a brazier and shouting abuse at those that choose to go to work is a long way off "protecting jobs" or even "saving a public service". More to the point, if so few managers can achieve so much in such a relatively small time span, one begins to wonder if the lead isn't being swung a little too wildly in some quarters.
Not every area of the UK has been on strike though and many have already adjusted to new ways of working, or else are hoping for a speedy conclusion to all this, feeling that they have been dragged into an argument that doesn't actually apply directly to them. Many assumed that a ballot for strike action would be enough to gain improved working conditions alone and are now concerned that the union is in such a tight corner, losing money could just become a regular occurence, and virtually no opportunity for overtime.
Hayes is undoubtedly coming under pressure to deliver. Some postal workers have already been on strike for months, and many of those of the opinion that even the agreement established in 2007 was a raw deal. He does have a responsibility to union members (up to a point) and is likely to face a backlash of cricticism and a short-lived career as CWU leader if he readily signs a 'worded' agreement that fails to address an apparently fixed set of demands that forms the basis of the CWU's argument. If he allows the dispute to drag on, confidence will wain and some will return to work rather than deprive children of Christmas presents.
On the other hand, Hayes also has his career to consider and many suspect he has aspirations within the Labour party itself, making it a difficult if not risky strategy to withdraw funding to Labour ahead of a general election. The threat has been there, but it would almost certainly be seen as a step too far by Labour MPs and could seriously damage his career prospects. Union members know all this only too well, and his recent proclamation that he was in a stronger position than Arthur Scargill (miners strike 1984-85) was greeted more with surprise than admiration. His recent adoption of the word 'compromise', particularly with no apparent willingness to halt further strike action even with the offer of conciliation through ACAS, is also difficult to fathom.
What is clear is that Royal Mail will not back down on their plans to restructure the company and any hopes of a quick victory for battle-hardened militants through strike action looks doomed to failure. The best they can hope for is a further rewording of the 2007 agreement which in the end will probably be the best option - if protecting jobs really is the goal. Hayes will need to be fairly creative if he is to come out of this one unscathed.
© Hellmail.co.uk (25 October 2009)
Where Does He Get This s**t From, Unf*king Believable.
http://www.hellmail.co.uk/postalnews/te ... &zoneid=10
25 October 2009 by Mark White - © Hellmail.co.uk
Despite backlogged mail as a result of strike action at Royal Mail last week, 60 managers at one mail centre set something of a record last week by sorting more mail in 12 hours than 240 postal workers could sort in 24 hours. Special deliveries, tracked and packets all reached their destinations without a single failure. Similar results were reported in other areas. On that basis, I can only say that the need for modernisation is self-evident.
There has been much talk on a militant postal workers forum, of 'fighting for jobs", but standing on a picket line can hardly be described as "fighting". That is called "not going to work" and surely any fool can do that. Genuinely fighting for jobs in any product-based industry, particularly one with such a large pension deficit, would be making sure they were made/delivered faster and better than any other company. Standing outside next to a brazier and shouting abuse at those that choose to go to work is a long way off "protecting jobs" or even "saving a public service". More to the point, if so few managers can achieve so much in such a relatively small time span, one begins to wonder if the lead isn't being swung a little too wildly in some quarters.
Not every area of the UK has been on strike though and many have already adjusted to new ways of working, or else are hoping for a speedy conclusion to all this, feeling that they have been dragged into an argument that doesn't actually apply directly to them. Many assumed that a ballot for strike action would be enough to gain improved working conditions alone and are now concerned that the union is in such a tight corner, losing money could just become a regular occurence, and virtually no opportunity for overtime.
Hayes is undoubtedly coming under pressure to deliver. Some postal workers have already been on strike for months, and many of those of the opinion that even the agreement established in 2007 was a raw deal. He does have a responsibility to union members (up to a point) and is likely to face a backlash of cricticism and a short-lived career as CWU leader if he readily signs a 'worded' agreement that fails to address an apparently fixed set of demands that forms the basis of the CWU's argument. If he allows the dispute to drag on, confidence will wain and some will return to work rather than deprive children of Christmas presents.
On the other hand, Hayes also has his career to consider and many suspect he has aspirations within the Labour party itself, making it a difficult if not risky strategy to withdraw funding to Labour ahead of a general election. The threat has been there, but it would almost certainly be seen as a step too far by Labour MPs and could seriously damage his career prospects. Union members know all this only too well, and his recent proclamation that he was in a stronger position than Arthur Scargill (miners strike 1984-85) was greeted more with surprise than admiration. His recent adoption of the word 'compromise', particularly with no apparent willingness to halt further strike action even with the offer of conciliation through ACAS, is also difficult to fathom.
What is clear is that Royal Mail will not back down on their plans to restructure the company and any hopes of a quick victory for battle-hardened militants through strike action looks doomed to failure. The best they can hope for is a further rewording of the 2007 agreement which in the end will probably be the best option - if protecting jobs really is the goal. Hayes will need to be fairly creative if he is to come out of this one unscathed.
© Hellmail.co.uk (25 October 2009)
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mailman337
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Re: Swinging The Lead Will Not Protect Jobs
Absolut b*llox .............just ignore this crap, don't even put it on the forum!!! :mfo :cfo
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stokes11eg
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Re: Swinging The Lead Will Not Protect Jobs
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streetwalker
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Re: Swinging The Lead Will Not Protect Jobs
Can we swap jobs then? i can sit on my arse all day and drink coffee quicker than them! Total and utter shite!!!!
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bandit1157
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Re: Swinging The Lead Will Not Protect Jobs
60 managers at one mail centre set something of a record last week by sorting more mail in 12 hours than 240 postal workers could sort in 24 hours. Special deliveries, tracked and packets all reached their destinations without a single failure.
25% less staff do the work in 50% less time
, my hero's. can we now have the battle of britain speech by winston churchill. three dims in my do delivered a few specials, packets etc. didn't make any impression on the 12 yorks that i could see. 
25% less staff do the work in 50% less time
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norbert
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Re: Swinging The Lead Will Not Protect Jobs
the " sorting " will be Alpha " crash " sorting in a MAIL CENTRE / OUTSTATION - all you're really doing is making more work for somebody down the line . Secondly those reggies etc would have been segued out along with some ? intra .mailman337 wrote:Absolut b*llox .............just ignore this crap, don't even put it on the forum!!! :mfo :cfo
Typical Mark ****ing White on a union bashing site - I'd take it as a complement if he has to resort to this . Sour grapes - not enough hits on their site and the fluffy site with all the RM plants pathetically defending the indefensible .
Hellmail states it has a " good relationship " with RM's press office . This deliberate misinformation is too much of a coincidence with all things considered
How can they prove all that mail went through all those waves successfully ? with Distribution out in a MC warehouse ?
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Thunderthighs
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Re: Swinging The Lead Will Not Protect Jobs
On Radio 5 Live, on the Duton Adebeyo show, they have a "Virtual library" where people vote on/off their favourite book.
Last night, the "Lord of the Rings" was voted off from the Top 20.
Maybe we could vote this fantasy crap on, as it's surely a great work of fiction too!
It seems full of Mythical characters, like Managers that can sort/deliver all-by-themselves...
Tolkien must be turning in his grave.
Last night, the "Lord of the Rings" was voted off from the Top 20.
Maybe we could vote this fantasy crap on, as it's surely a great work of fiction too!
It seems full of Mythical characters, like Managers that can sort/deliver all-by-themselves...
Tolkien must be turning in his grave.
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POSTMAN
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Re: Swinging The Lead Will Not Protect Jobs
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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TrueBlueTerrier
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Re: Swinging The Lead Will Not Protect Jobs
Mark White - an informed Journalist - Yes informed by RM HQ.
Its almost as good as the spin that Labour put on "Press Releases" when T Blair and A Campbell wanted to gloss over something. Almost but still comes across as amateurish
confidence will wain
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Its almost as good as the spin that Labour put on "Press Releases" when T Blair and A Campbell wanted to gloss over something. Almost but still comes across as amateurish
confidence will wain
Definitions of wain on the Web:
* English writer (1925-1994)
* Big Dipper: a group of seven bright stars in the constellation Ursa Major
* large open farm wagon
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
* Wain is a town in the district of Biberach in Baden-Württemberg in Germany.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wain_(Württemberg)
* WAIN (1270 AM) is a radio station licensed to Columbia, Kentucky, USA. The station is currently owned by Tri-County Radio Broadcasting Corp..
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAIN_(AM)
* A wain is a type of horse-drawn, load-carrying vehicle, used for agricultural purposes rather than transporting people, for example a haywain. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wain
* A wagon; A four-wheeled cart for hauling loads, usually pulled by horses or oxen; A chariot used by the gods and goddesses or a symbolic cart used in rituals and shrines in Heathenry
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DGP1
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Re: Swinging The Lead Will Not Protect Jobs
If 60 managers can do the work of 240 posties in half the time then surely that's because the management haven't been doing their jobs
but more likely it's just not true (or stretching the truth).
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Thorby Bislam
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Re: Swinging The Lead Will Not Protect Jobs
Tman works in a MC and he's not a manager. (No wait... he's not. He's told us that many times). Can we have his viewpoint on this ? Can we have his explanation of how his manager can sort mail so much faster than he can ?
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Fred B
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Re: Swinging The Lead Will Not Protect Jobs
Mark Shite more like. He certainly talks it. He probaby gone White because the majority of the public support the postal workers.
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postgirl*
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Re: Swinging The Lead Will Not Protect Jobs
how many of the 30,000 did it take to get the 60 managers arms unfolded?
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opgpat
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Re: Swinging The Lead Will Not Protect Jobs
"60 managers at one mail centre set something of a record last week by sorting more mail in 12 hours than 240 postal workers could sort in 24 hours. "
This despite not knowing the frames? Completely impossible by any stretch of the imagination. Impossible.
"Special deliveries, tracked and packets all reached their destinations without a single failure. "
So all they did was Specials and tracked packets. Yes that does sound plausible now.
Lets hear it for them keeping out of the canteen long enough to clear the Specials and tracked. Genuinely impressed.

This despite not knowing the frames? Completely impossible by any stretch of the imagination. Impossible.
"Special deliveries, tracked and packets all reached their destinations without a single failure. "
So all they did was Specials and tracked packets. Yes that does sound plausible now.
Lets hear it for them keeping out of the canteen long enough to clear the Specials and tracked. Genuinely impressed.
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bandit650
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Re: Swinging The Lead Will Not Protect Jobs
Yes i am sure that is the biggest amount of rubbish i have ever heard,most managers are far to busy drinking tea and coffee for them to have stopped from doing that and having to earn thier wage most would not know where the frames were.