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I WAS CALLED THE 'S' WORD TODAY!
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OnAFlyer
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Re: i am not a scab
I don't envy you delivering today mate, we had enough stick yesterday!
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Godric
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Re: i am not a scab
OnAFlyer wrote:I don't envy you delivering today mate, we had enough stick yesterday!
yeah yesterday was murder, must have been asked about a 100 times i thought you were on strike/what are you doing working today
"Vi har haft århundraden av kärlek och tillit till varandra."
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Richie89
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Re: i am not a scab
One of the lads on the picket was called a scabby bastard on his way back to the office yesterday
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Sparrowhawk
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Re: Delivering mail today, but not a scab!!
Took a while to find this but to quote from Postman's thread in the News section - "Got strike dates!
Postby POSTMAN » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:02,pm
Thurs 22nd MC'S and all functions within MC's and network.
Fri 23rd Delivery and MDECs"
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shadow
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Re: i am not a scab
I know it's not nice to get called names but look at it this way these people must be behind us if they call you strike breakers, don't you think.Richie89 wrote:One of the lads on the picket was called a scabby bastard on his way back to the office yesterday
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theflyboy
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Re: i am not a scab
Union should have made more public who was on strike when, Royal Mail had adverts in a lot of national papers saying 24 hour strike so public all thought we were out for 2 days when in fact deleveries were only out 1 day. Us delivery postmen are all the public see so we are the ones getting the abuse, I was asked at least 10 times yesterday " are you not on strike today?" people going by giving u funny looks & thinking u r scabbing 
not funny when u feel strongly about something & are on picket line next day
not funny when u feel strongly about something & are on picket line next day-
RoyalQuest
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Re: Delivering mail today, but not a scab!!
Lets get this straight Phantom and jaja, i'm no scab 
. Deliveries where out on Friday 23rd unless they are attached to a mail centre in which case they are out on Thursday 22nd. If members don't even know this how can i complain about the public, this just hihglights my point completely the CWU need to give more accurate information to the media.
. Deliveries where out on Friday 23rd unless they are attached to a mail centre in which case they are out on Thursday 22nd. If members don't even know this how can i complain about the public, this just hihglights my point completely the CWU need to give more accurate information to the media.-
jaja
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Re: Delivering mail today, but not a scab!!
bluebite79 wrote:Lets get this straight Phantom and jaja, i'm no scab
already appoligsed Bluebite sorry mate no hard feelings eh!!jaja wrote:Fair enough sorry Bluebite although it was a little confusing better if you put in the datesScottishlass wrote:He IS NOT a "strike breaker" !
His D.O. is within a mail centre therefore he was on strike WITH mail centre staff on THURSDAY !
Please get your facts right before calling people names
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Sparrowhawk
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Re: Delivering mail today, but not a scab!!
Here you are , just to clarify any confusion
No. 907/09
Ref: L60.00
Date: 15th October 2009
TO: ALL BRANCHES WITH POSTAL MEMBERS
Dear Colleague
National Dispute - Strike Action
Further to the positive Ballot Result and LTB 901/09 the Postal Executive have now authorised Strike Action. The strikes are to be held on a functional/site specific basis as detailed below:
Mail Centres/Network
All duties, Scheduled Attendance and overtime commencing at or after 04.00 Thursday 22nd October 2009 and before 04.00 Friday 23rd October 2009.
Delivery, MDECs, Collection Hubs and MTWs on Separate Sites
All duties, Scheduled Attendance and overtime commencing at or after 21.00 Thursday 22nd October 2009 and before 21.00 Friday 23rd October 2009.
We have attached National Guidelines for the Planned Industrial Action to further clarify the initial action scheduled which should assist Branches/Representatives with any enquiries they receive.
Any enquiries associated with this LTB should be directed to the relevant Officer for that function.
Yours sincerely
Dave Ward Martin Collins
Deputy General Secretary (P) Assistant Secretary
Ray Ellis Bob Gibson
Assistant Secretary Assistant Secretary
Terry Pullinger
Assistant Secretary
National Guidelines for the Planned Industrial Action 2009
The following Guidelines have been produced to assist Branch Representatives and provide more detailed guidance on the Action that has been planned on a Functional/Site specific basis.
Functional/Site Specific
The clarification of the above is - all Royal Mail Employees/CWU members (regardless of grade e.g. OPG, LA, Mail Screener, Engineer, MT members etc) employed on the Site irrespective of their function.
Example 1:
Mail Centre/Network Action Day
A Mail Centre may have a Delivery, Distribution and Network function on the same Site. In these instances all of the members from these four functions would be involved in the Industrial Action on the days scheduled for the Mail Centres/Network Strike but will not be expected to take Action on the days scheduled for Delivery, MDECs, Collection Hubs and MTWs on separate sites.
Example 2:
Delivery, MDECs, Collection Hubs and MTWs on Separate Sites Action Day
A Delivery Office may also have a Distribution function, Collection Hub or MTW on site. In this instance again the members from all of these functions would be scheduled to take Action on the days scheduled for Deliveries.
Example 3:
Mail Centres/Network Action Day
Airports, International (HWDC) and Walk Bundling Centres on separate Sites would be due to take Action on the days scheduled for Mail Centres/Network.
Example 4:
Walk Bundling Centres which are Co-located
Where a Walk Bundling Centre is on the same Site as a Delivery Office, Mail Centre or Network Unit the members would be scheduled to take Action on the days scheduled for Delivery/MDECs or Mail Centre/Network Units as appropriate i.e. the same principle applies as outlined in Example 1 and 2.
Rotations
Where members rotate weekly between functions for example Mail Centres and Delivery they will be due to be involved in the Action scheduled for the offices they are working in on that particular week.
Example:
Week 1 working in a Delivery office, Week 2 working on a Mail Centre Site for Distribution. The Action taken would be in line with Deliveries in the first week and Mail Centres in the second week.
Total Action
The planned Action is scheduled to ensure that no individual is required to be on strike for more than 24 hours in a week.
Programme of Action
We have detailed below the initial Programme of scheduled Function/Site Action.
Mail Centres/Network
All duties, Scheduled Attendance and overtime commencing at or after 04.00Thursday 22nd October 2009 and before 04.00 Friday 23rd October 2009.
Delivery, MDECs, Collection Hubs and MTWs on Separate Sites
All duties, Scheduled Attendance and overtime commencing at or after 21.00 Thursday 22nd October 2009 and before 21.00 Friday 23rd October 2009.
Disciplined Approach/Difficulties of Unofficial Action
This planned Action has been designed to have the maximum impact on the business whilst limiting the loss of pay to our members. If carried out as planned it should cause major disruption to the service and put pressure on the business for meaningful negotiations with the Union.
There are however clearly many issues that will arise that could, if not managed in a disciplined way, lead to unnecessary difficulties. We have listed below a number of examples that immediately spring to mind:
* Representatives will already be aware from previous strikes that members have been finishing their shifts while other members are still on strike due to the varied shifts not all commencing at the same time. This will still be the case and it is imperative that we continue to avoid this leading to Unofficial Action because picket lines have put undue pressure on members who are actually due to be at work in line with the strike scheduled by the Union.
* Picket lines must also be organised to ensure that they do not put pressure on drivers who are not due to be taking Action when they visit a site that is on strike in the course of their duty i.e. the picket line should be stood down as appropriate.
* With the Functional/Site Specific Strikes planned, it must be recognised that members of the same Branch in the same area may be due to work while others are on strike e.g. the Mail Centre and attached Delivery Unit may be on strike while the neighbouring separate Delivery Offices are due to be at work. This could lead to management asking our members to go and work in the office that is on strike which, although we appreciate will be very contentious, Union discipline again must be maintained to prevent unnecessary problems.
* Transfers of traffic from one office to another office will also clearly be an avenue that may be explored by the business without any consultation or agreement in an attempt to disrupt our disciplined Action.
* The illegal use of agency staff will of course be challenged but clearly the business will seek to use agency staff before and after each strike and throughout the period in offices that are still due to be operationally working.
* Management will also continue to use casuals wherever they can so that they can keep overtime at minimum levels to wind our members up further but again we need to avoid Unofficial Action over these issues at this point in time.
We fully appreciate that the above may be difficult for everyone to manage but it is essential that we do if we want the Action to work and hit Royal Mail where it hurts.
Additional Enquiries
If Branch Representatives still need further clarification on any points they should in the first instance contact their Divisional Representative or Regional Secretary who should be able to provide the appropriate advice.
National Postal Executive
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Hope this helps.
No. 907/09
Ref: L60.00
Date: 15th October 2009
TO: ALL BRANCHES WITH POSTAL MEMBERS
Dear Colleague
National Dispute - Strike Action
Further to the positive Ballot Result and LTB 901/09 the Postal Executive have now authorised Strike Action. The strikes are to be held on a functional/site specific basis as detailed below:
Mail Centres/Network
All duties, Scheduled Attendance and overtime commencing at or after 04.00 Thursday 22nd October 2009 and before 04.00 Friday 23rd October 2009.
Delivery, MDECs, Collection Hubs and MTWs on Separate Sites
All duties, Scheduled Attendance and overtime commencing at or after 21.00 Thursday 22nd October 2009 and before 21.00 Friday 23rd October 2009.
We have attached National Guidelines for the Planned Industrial Action to further clarify the initial action scheduled which should assist Branches/Representatives with any enquiries they receive.
Any enquiries associated with this LTB should be directed to the relevant Officer for that function.
Yours sincerely
Dave Ward Martin Collins
Deputy General Secretary (P) Assistant Secretary
Ray Ellis Bob Gibson
Assistant Secretary Assistant Secretary
Terry Pullinger
Assistant Secretary
National Guidelines for the Planned Industrial Action 2009
The following Guidelines have been produced to assist Branch Representatives and provide more detailed guidance on the Action that has been planned on a Functional/Site specific basis.
Functional/Site Specific
The clarification of the above is - all Royal Mail Employees/CWU members (regardless of grade e.g. OPG, LA, Mail Screener, Engineer, MT members etc) employed on the Site irrespective of their function.
Example 1:
Mail Centre/Network Action Day
A Mail Centre may have a Delivery, Distribution and Network function on the same Site. In these instances all of the members from these four functions would be involved in the Industrial Action on the days scheduled for the Mail Centres/Network Strike but will not be expected to take Action on the days scheduled for Delivery, MDECs, Collection Hubs and MTWs on separate sites.
Example 2:
Delivery, MDECs, Collection Hubs and MTWs on Separate Sites Action Day
A Delivery Office may also have a Distribution function, Collection Hub or MTW on site. In this instance again the members from all of these functions would be scheduled to take Action on the days scheduled for Deliveries.
Example 3:
Mail Centres/Network Action Day
Airports, International (HWDC) and Walk Bundling Centres on separate Sites would be due to take Action on the days scheduled for Mail Centres/Network.
Example 4:
Walk Bundling Centres which are Co-located
Where a Walk Bundling Centre is on the same Site as a Delivery Office, Mail Centre or Network Unit the members would be scheduled to take Action on the days scheduled for Delivery/MDECs or Mail Centre/Network Units as appropriate i.e. the same principle applies as outlined in Example 1 and 2.
Rotations
Where members rotate weekly between functions for example Mail Centres and Delivery they will be due to be involved in the Action scheduled for the offices they are working in on that particular week.
Example:
Week 1 working in a Delivery office, Week 2 working on a Mail Centre Site for Distribution. The Action taken would be in line with Deliveries in the first week and Mail Centres in the second week.
Total Action
The planned Action is scheduled to ensure that no individual is required to be on strike for more than 24 hours in a week.
Programme of Action
We have detailed below the initial Programme of scheduled Function/Site Action.
Mail Centres/Network
All duties, Scheduled Attendance and overtime commencing at or after 04.00Thursday 22nd October 2009 and before 04.00 Friday 23rd October 2009.
Delivery, MDECs, Collection Hubs and MTWs on Separate Sites
All duties, Scheduled Attendance and overtime commencing at or after 21.00 Thursday 22nd October 2009 and before 21.00 Friday 23rd October 2009.
Disciplined Approach/Difficulties of Unofficial Action
This planned Action has been designed to have the maximum impact on the business whilst limiting the loss of pay to our members. If carried out as planned it should cause major disruption to the service and put pressure on the business for meaningful negotiations with the Union.
There are however clearly many issues that will arise that could, if not managed in a disciplined way, lead to unnecessary difficulties. We have listed below a number of examples that immediately spring to mind:
* Representatives will already be aware from previous strikes that members have been finishing their shifts while other members are still on strike due to the varied shifts not all commencing at the same time. This will still be the case and it is imperative that we continue to avoid this leading to Unofficial Action because picket lines have put undue pressure on members who are actually due to be at work in line with the strike scheduled by the Union.
* Picket lines must also be organised to ensure that they do not put pressure on drivers who are not due to be taking Action when they visit a site that is on strike in the course of their duty i.e. the picket line should be stood down as appropriate.
* With the Functional/Site Specific Strikes planned, it must be recognised that members of the same Branch in the same area may be due to work while others are on strike e.g. the Mail Centre and attached Delivery Unit may be on strike while the neighbouring separate Delivery Offices are due to be at work. This could lead to management asking our members to go and work in the office that is on strike which, although we appreciate will be very contentious, Union discipline again must be maintained to prevent unnecessary problems.
* Transfers of traffic from one office to another office will also clearly be an avenue that may be explored by the business without any consultation or agreement in an attempt to disrupt our disciplined Action.
* The illegal use of agency staff will of course be challenged but clearly the business will seek to use agency staff before and after each strike and throughout the period in offices that are still due to be operationally working.
* Management will also continue to use casuals wherever they can so that they can keep overtime at minimum levels to wind our members up further but again we need to avoid Unofficial Action over these issues at this point in time.
We fully appreciate that the above may be difficult for everyone to manage but it is essential that we do if we want the Action to work and hit Royal Mail where it hurts.
Additional Enquiries
If Branch Representatives still need further clarification on any points they should in the first instance contact their Divisional Representative or Regional Secretary who should be able to provide the appropriate advice.
National Postal Executive
__________________
Hope this helps.
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Stormproof
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Re: Delivering mail today, but not a scab!!
They cocked up our paper work JP, we had to cross each others picket lines Thurs/Frijohnnyp wrote:Hang on a sec im confused now,i thought all deliverys including those in mail centres were on strike today.I had a delivery yesterday but not today and they work out of a Mail Center.
BTW our DO was 100% on Friday 
So keep on moving, moving, moving your feet
Keep on shuf-shuf-shuffling to this ghost dance beat
Just keep on walking down never ending streets
Illegitimi non carborundum
Keep on shuf-shuf-shuffling to this ghost dance beat
Just keep on walking down never ending streets
Illegitimi non carborundum
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POSTMAN
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Re: I WAS CALLED THE 'S' WORD TODAY!
Well,we will be fooked come next thursday, I've already had the 'Oh you're out for 3 days next week then' chat.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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wolfie citizen smith
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Re: I WAS CALLED THE 'S' WORD TODAY!
two days next week and who cares anymore
"ever get the feeling you've been cheated" John Lydon
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OnAFlyer
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Re: I WAS CALLED THE 'S' WORD TODAY!
We'll get it Thurs AND Fri next week - i'll explain to everyone I see before then though so I don't get all the questions again!POSTMAN wrote:Well,we will be fooked come next thursday, I've already had the 'Oh you're out for 3 days next week then' chat.
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clashcityrocker
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Re: I WAS CALLED THE 'S' WORD TODAY!
Maybe we should just strike for 3 days next week just so the public doesn't get confused.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
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BIG AL
- EX ROYAL MAIL
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Re: I WAS CALLED THE 'S' WORD TODAY!
Not Happy 
Just visited my in laws at the weekend and found out that their postie is a SCAB!
Seems that she told them that she was not going to strike because she has a mortgage,bills,etc to pay[Who doesn't?]
Also, told them that she did not know WHY we were going on strike!!!!!!!!
I could not beleive it!
I explained to them in some detail why we were on strike and asked them to pass on this information, to their postie
Why are these small offices not striking; can they not see the long - term picture of where RM is heading?
I am still fumming even now!!!!!!!!
Just visited my in laws at the weekend and found out that their postie is a SCAB!
Seems that she told them that she was not going to strike because she has a mortgage,bills,etc to pay[Who doesn't?]
Also, told them that she did not know WHY we were going on strike!!!!!!!!I could not beleive it!
I explained to them in some detail why we were on strike and asked them to pass on this information, to their postie
Why are these small offices not striking; can they not see the long - term picture of where RM is heading?
I am still fumming even now!!!!!!!!